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Swire Mariners Association
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Ship's Log Entries 2008 (1)
2008 saw many new members join the SMA, so Graeme and Stu must be doing something right. The listing below runs through to the end of October, 2008; subsequent 2008 entries are to be found lurking here.
Jan 01, 2008 - 05:54 -
Happy and Prosperous New Year.
I am about to walk up to the local to collect my car, it was ok walking home-downhill all the way! Now it is raining so I may have to plead advancing age and get Herself to drive me up to the pub. Will I ever learn!!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From: Not sure this morning
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Jan 01, 2008 - 21:33 -
Happy and prosperous New Year to you all
E-mail: aravenhi@bigpond.au
Name: Tony Ravenhill
From: Qld Aus very very wet
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Jan 06, 2008 - 04:49 -
Gee wizz Mark - my knowledge of the U.S.A. must be out of date. To think there are only 5 people in all of Iowa, that works out to only a few hundred in the whole of the U.S.A. - whose been on the G&T's ? I've recovered from New Year, what about you lot ?
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Name: A sober Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Jan 07, 2008 - 05:18 -
What is the world coming to that there is "A SOBER Wallaby Supporter". Must be all that rain either diluting his Pink Gin to Zero Alcohol or has washed his Home Brew away?
I'm back from leave now so Happy New Year to All My Readers.
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Name: Proud All Blacks Supporter looking forward to 2011
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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Well, since it's a bit quiet around here, I submit these pics taken the other day for your general interest. Don't need to tell you which I'd rather be on. Bit of a swell, yes, but it's not exactly rough weather! Not for the good old QE2, anyway - MAJB

Jan 15, 2008 - 18:04 -
Good photo's MAJB. I'm sure that CNCo's "Taiyuan" and "Changsha" along with all the other grand old ladies of the fleet prior to the mid 1960's were happier ships than these floating hotels of today. I believe that the G&T's and other throat lubrication fluids are no longer allowed, the crews will now no doubt now spend time ashore on sick leave recovering from malaria etc.
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Name: Wallaby supporter, - just reminiscing
From: XXXX Land
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Jan 16, 2008 - 10:15 -
Which is forward on the "Victoria" or does she just move sideways with pod-mounted props?
Where is the pic of JWMadeley in his spanking new uniform?
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jan 18, 2008 - 14:40 -
I came across this in the ShipsNostalgia site.
http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/16487
Terry
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Name:
From: Edinburgh.
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Jan 21, 2008 - 04:01 -
My son's comment on recent events at Heathrow,(he is a BA pilot),
Q. Why do you fly a 'plane with four engines?
A. Because they don't make one with six!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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The 777 only has two, of course... although I hear BA are investing in a new design of replacement aircraft now - MAJB

Jan 23, 2008 - 12:29 -
I think Howard Hughes's flying boat,"Grey something", had eight engines but never actually lifted off. Perhaps Dark Moment, who knows all, might elucidate.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jan 23, 2008 - 12:37 -
Lesson 1 - check before typing! Aircraft was called the "Spruce Goose", because it was made of timber, and actually flew for 1 mile in 1947. Now in a museum in Oregon.
Put that in the file of useless information!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Indeed a fine aircraft, yes, Maurice. Eight engines of 3,000HP each. Lots of info at www.sprucegoose.org. However, I thought the Russian Caspian Sea Monster above had more of a look to it! And it flies, too, although low (ground effect) - MAJB
Jan 24, 2008 - 16:50 -
Dear All,
Went for a five day visit to hospital for a minor,sort of,operation and emerged,not unscathed,seven weeks later and now resting at home.With the passage of time,about two months,will be back to full strength etc.The Swire "do" in late Feb.I will be there!!!!
Watch what you put on the web I will be watching!!
E-mail:
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Jan 25, 2008 - 02:51 -
Keep taking the medicine Bob.
Best Wishes.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jan 25, 2008 - 03:37 -
Best wishes for a speedy recovery Bob. Make sure the Tonic has quinine in it!!
E-mail:
Name: Worried All Black Supporter - Come back Robbie Deans
From: Aotearoa
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Feb 01, 2008 - 00:32 -
Great to hear from you Bob. If you ever find the Schweppes Indian Tonic Water of byegone years let me know. After the rain and minor flooding the mosquitos are now feasting well. Meanwhile the XXXX and Thomson Special kills the pain !!
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: Mosquito Paradise now
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Feb 01, 2008 - 02:40 -
Good to see that the Wallaby Supporter still has some Thompson Home Brew to thwart the mossie attack. However, it is probably the amount of quinine in his alcohol stream that is warding off the malaria!!?! Also glad that there was only minor flooding around his estate otherwise he might be like Jimmy Phillips and have a crocodile or two in his bath tub.
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Name: Proud All Black Supporter hoping for good things from the Wellington 7s
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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Feb 01, 2008 - 15:33 -
Proud all Black Supporter - Yes the quinine appears to stay in the system for years, but a top up is required from time to time. By the way, how long does it take to grow web feet ? Actually I thought that in Christchurch you actually lived IN The Long White Cloud.
p.s. your haven't improved your spelling.
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Name: Wallaby Supporer
From: Mossie Paradise - without quinine
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We have the following note from SMA member John Carroll which he has not asked us to post but we choose to:
Dear family and friends,
I have booked to do the coast2coast walk from 26th May until 6th June 2008. Graeme Collin will also be doing the walk, and my brother Ian will join for three days half way through. Anyone else is welcome to join for all or part !
There are two charities close to my heart that I am attempting to raise money for. The first is Great Ormond Street hospital because they carried out a successful heart operation to my son when he was 6 months. The second is the RNLI due to the fact that I am an ex seafarer and the people working on the lifeboats, saving lives, are all volunteers. The cost of the walk will come out my own money, however if you wish to donate to one, or both charities, then please see the links below. I do NOT want anyone to donate more than £1 to each charity.
www.justgiving.com/coast2coastgoshcc
www.justgiving.com/coast2coastmay08
Many, many thanks.
Feb 06, 2008 - 07:10 -
Not sure if those two "supporters" of the southern hemisphere are being kind and sympathetic or are too busy laughing over England's pathetic performance. It is all part of our pc thinking, must let the others win occasionally. If you believe that you'll believe anything!! Even with an English Tongan they were useless.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Feb 06, 2008 - 13:27 -
While apparently too young to reminis with many participants have enjoyed reading through old logs and recollections.
Swires 1970 - 1976.
Captain Anderson kind enough to accompany us (self + wife Cathy) to Haneda at tours end. When thanked advised he was happy to see me off.
Have tried to ignore possible? ambiguity. Assume abundance of advise available regarding means of deadening the senses.
E-mail: ancath@charter.net
Name: Andrew King
From: Washington State, USA
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Feb 08, 2008 - 03:40 -
Never mind Ancient One - Some times you win, sometimes you loose, as they say "Them's the breaks" Remember the mighty Springboks, also from the southern hemisphere.
E-mail: Wallaby Supporter
Name: XXXX & Mosquito Land
From:
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Feb 12, 2008 - 01:25 -
After a few months of abstinence that first gin and tonic is absolutely the nectar of the gods,never tasted anything like it,even the indian tonic water could be drunk on its own!!!!I might even have another one.
As you can see from the above my health improves with every passing day,thank you all for your kind wishes.
E-mail:
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Excellent news, Bob. Well, apart from the bit about "even the Indian tonic water could be drunk on its own". I should keep taking the tablets for just a little while longer... :)
Feb 12, 2008 - 12:16 -
Good news Bob, making me drool! As it is the time of Lent there's no booze permitted during the week, OK at weekend to allow communion wine. My weekend starts at 1700 on Friday evenings!!
Keep up the good work.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Feb 14, 2008 - 04:56 -
Oh Ancient Mariner I can hear Taffy Rowlands singing Land of my Fathers and Sos Ban Vach (sp?) after the Welsh win. Your cricketers are not doing so well either. I only hope that your weekend does not finish until Thursday midnight!!?!
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Name: Proud All Black Supporter celebrating the win at Sevens
From: Aotearoa
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Feb 14, 2008 - 19:41 -
Hi all,
Once again I am asking for an old remembrance. There was a famous bar,just bamboo and palm thatch, not far from the water front at Papeete. It burnt down around 1954,perhaps. What was it's name please? It was THE watering hole for any visiting mariner for decades and is mentioned in many books.
Terry
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Name: t.connell
From: Edinburgh.
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Quinn's, surely, Terry? Although that burned down in 1973, I think - MAJB
Feb 14, 2008 - 23:15 -
Bamboo Bar?????????
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Name: Bob steer
From:
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Feb 15, 2008 - 04:17 -
Any one remember heavy rainfall ? Yesterday Mackay, Queensland recorded daily rainfall of 625mm ( about 25") and the Pioneer river rose approx 10 metres. At least when aboard an old C.N.Co China Coaster with Bob's ( and every one else's ) G&T ( Indian of course) plus ice and a slice of lemon, we would have floated above these minor shore based problems. Glorious memories - can you remember ?
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX land
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Remember what?
Feb 15, 2008 - 08:38 -
E-mail: doxford@clear.net.nz
Name: Harry Smith
From: New Zealand
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Feb 17, 2008 - 07:38 -
Harry didn't have a lot to say......does anyone know Harry?
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Feb 17, 2008 - 09:33 -
Only one Chief Engineer who used to strum his guitar while all about was chaos!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Feb 17, 2008 - 11:48 -
COOL MAN COOL
E-mail: SShie70652@aol,com
Name: Stu
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com

Feb 18, 2008 - 01:15 -
Good news fellows...England have just won the ASHES!!!!The Ladies version that is!!!
For those of you who don't know the English Ladies have been playing a Five Test series out here in Australia and were two all,is the excitement gripping you???When the last game was played here on The Bradman Oval here in Bowral and finished with a win by six wickets to ENGLAND just ten minutes ago and I was there to see the match.It might be the last game of womens cricket I ever watch,very slow,but with a glass,or three,of Australia's finest white I can now say I have seen ENGLAND WIN A TEST!!!!
In Bowral you park the car on the edge of the oval get your comfortable chair from the car and just enjoy the atmosphere a wonderful way to watch the game
E-mail:
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Feb 18, 2008 - 12:43 -
Have you turned Bob? Watching women!!!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Feb 21, 2008 - 05:57 -
John & Di are currently on holiday in Queensland but arrivr Cyprus on 26th Feb. We take over our new home on 1st March. Email address remains the same aaaand phone numbers TBA.
Once we are settled will let you know and look forward to visitors. 3 double beds and pool plus 5 mins walk to beach.
John & Di Madeley
4 Diana Court,
Timochari,
Polis Chrysochous 8820
District of Paphos
Cyprus
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From:
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Wonderful, John! There'll just be the five of us, although I doubt that we can stay more than four or five months the first year. Maryann and I and the decibel-challenged wallpaper-rippers are just fine, but old Gramps is not so well these days and can't take the heat. It's not just that he's teetotal, diabetic, incontinent and a very fussy vegan, he's also gone a little strange in the head. If you've got a lock for his room all should be fine, though. See you at the airport! - MAJB
Feb 25, 2008 - 19:45 -
The Australian CNCo Reunion was held on February 24 and followed the Taikoo (ie honorably kmown from the ancient past) format. 37 people attended and one who said he would didn't. Photos of attendees will be lodged later. Unfortunatly Commodore Emeritus Hutchinson had to leave before the photos were taken. He departed waving his walking stick with the elephant's head adorned handle shouting "Up the Mariners". Apparently this was a reference to a football team and not the gentlemen present. The rest departed soon after evidently satisfied since no-one asked for his money back. Next year same venue, same time, same format and same stories.
E-mail: mike.okeeffe@yahoo.com.au
Name: Mike O'Keeffe
From: Terra
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Shindig pics are now in our Photos section - MAJB
Feb 25, 2008 - 22:06 -
Well done Mike a great gathering or perhaps it was a gathering of the great!!!!!In any case I am sure we all enjoyed the day and always good to see old shipmates and old names who ring a bell from somewhere or other around the empire,Paul Thiesen a little slimmer but still likes the G & T was in fine form,and believe it or not Hugh Ripley whose memory goes back too far,I didn't believe all his stories!!!
E-mail:
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Feb 26, 2008 - 06:04 -
Nice pix of new CX 777 in yesterday's papers,unfortunately he was buzzing the runway,wheels up and allegedly at 28 feet, with the Taipan aboard!!! Bowler hat???
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Mar 03, 2008 - 17:33 -
In years gone by most of the shipping companies had "sayings" which were based on the companies name or conditions etc. and were not always true. Some examples:- Bank Line - red to the mast, blue to the last, with the thin white line of starvation down the middle. Alfred Holt - All hours. Shaw Saville & Albion - Slow starvation and agony. Burns Philp - Bloody pirates. Shell tankers when the funnel was red, was said to be of the engineers blood. What was CNCo's ? Any body care to remember the others ?
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Name: Wallaby supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Mar 04, 2008 - 03:21 -
Hows about the HH on the funnel of the "Baron" boats for "Hungry" Hogarths or the BI of British India for "Bull***T Inc." There's not much can be said about the big black CNCo.funnel except the locals thought the bigger the funnel the bigger the company and the Union flag on the ships side could be used for target practice.
E-mail: reidgilbert@hotmail.com
Name: Auld Scotia
From: Canada.
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Mar 04, 2008 - 15:07 -
Another one from when UK shipping companies were to the fore - T & J Harrison of Liverpool, related to their funnel - 2 of fat and 1 of thin.
E-mail: r.lewis@gcns.ac.uk
Name: Robin Lewis
From:
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Mar 05, 2008 - 02:57 -
There was the once above all others, in their eyes, P & O Steam or POSH Port Out Starboard Home and Trinder Anderson, The Hungry Goose Line. Of course that airline that removed us unwitting souls from Heathrow, BOAC, Better on a Camel. What days when the Red Ensign flew proudly on the stren of so many ships.
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Name: Proud All Blacks Supporter looking forward to 2011
From: Aotearoa
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Mar 05, 2008 - 16:00 -
MAJB, either the gremlins or the G&T's have got at you -----Seems there's no change in the headline photo's of the 2007 & 2008 Australian re-union
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land -- its Gremlin free !
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A Freudian slop, for sure. Thanks - MAJB
Anybody recognise this 'before' and 'after'?
This message is received, and is reprinted with permission:
Hello....I am surprised as you might be???
For many years I have been banging away at the computer, looking for names from my B&S days! I never thought about SMA! I'd never heard of it! I met Robbie Kidd in London and a few others in HK, but I had lost contact with guys like Mike Kelly, Dave Lyon and the crowd from the middle 50's.... I am still in HK and at 74 still running for the bus and working for Asia Pacific Fire & Loss Adjusters. I don't do any surveying any more because I am unable to get a permit to enter any dockyard or cargo handling area because I am over 65!... Apparently anyone over that age is not covered by the Insurance Company, So the young Chinese surveyors do the work and give me their notes and I write the reports! It's a great job! I don't go into the office, they send the documents to me at home by email, and I just enjoy every day typing out reports, puttering about in the garden, doing a few push-ups....and I have some compelling hobbies, like writing short stories, poetry and still play chess, plus I went a bit native and took up Chinese painting! No Joking! You can see some of my work here. My two daughters are grown up too, they got their mother beauty and my brains (Lucky not the other way around). I have been scouring the SMA and looking at the photo's and I just feel so happy reading and seeing some of my old pals....I really feel wonderful...Sailing in China Nav. was a great adventure for me, I loved every minute of it, and I missed a my old pals after I left. My memory has been working overtime all day remembering all the names, but the faces have really got me stumped(The older faces that is) All the faces I have in my memory have been locked in a time machine that took off into outer space in 1959. I will probably be awake all night to-night. I see that it is a membership site, but I am still looking for the sign-up page, I will go back and have another search, in a minute. Please get back to me, and say hello.....I lost all my photos and stuff from my B&S days, in a shipwreck situation in the Paracels in 1964, maybe you might have some in you photo-albums. All the best.....hope to hear from you!
Part of the MAJB reply said: "There was a legendary tale doing the rounds when I lived in Hong Kong that you and Robbie were stopped one night by the constabulary and when Robbie gave his name as Captain Kidd, the officer said to you "Oh, and I suppose you are Davy Crockett?" Is this a true story?"
I remember that time...Me and Robbie were gallavanting around London like a couple of swells, he drove the car and I was the navigator, I gave the intructions like , left here, OK this is a right turn, etc...but one time I was late with the call and we drove into a 'One Way' street. We stopped immediately in order to make a U turn when suddenly there appeared a constable looking into the car. Me, the passenger on the left rolled down the window and he pushed his face into the car (Obviously testing for the smell of beer) and then asked us what we were up to and I did all the talking since I was the nearest to him, and I was very polite and friendly, and I even bunged in, "We are old shipmates from the China Coast having a drive around London". This seemed to amuse the copper, and he said, "I see, and whats your name looking past me." And I quickly said, "He's Captain Kidd!"....And Robbie said, "Good evening officer." and gave him a friendly smile and a nod. Then the copper froze for a second, and then looked at me and asked that famous question, "Oh, and I suppose you are Davy Crockett?" Well the three of us were silent for a long second, then I said, "Officer, you are not going to believe this." And I took out my London dock pass and gave it to him. He studied it and looked at me then looked at Robbie then back to me, then he said to me, "Can you vouch that he is Captain Kidd?" And I said, "Yes Officer he is Captain Kidd!" He gave me my pass back and said, "Get out of here and don't make this mistake again!" We got out of our predicament right away and off we drove again. Robbie said to me, "Wow, we were lucky we got off with a warning." and I said, "Luck had nothing to do with it! That copper couldn't go back to the station and tell everybody, that he'd just given a traffic violation ticket to a couple of guys called Captain Kidd & Davy Crockett....he would have got locked up!" Robbie and me had a rare old time in London Town and we joined some real swank clubs. I joined Royal Mail Lines, (hence the dock-pass) and I did the bowler & brolly turn, like a real toff, and got a way with it. But HK was calling me back, and I surrendered and joined Sarawak Steamship Co. and sailed around Malaysia & Indonesia for a while. Just loved Island hopping on a little trampship, even picked up the Malay/Indonesian bahasa language, helped in the delivery of three babies to deck passengers in one year, and since I was the Chief Mate I had my own speedboat, which I stowed on the poopdeck. When the sea was flat calm I would get down my boat and take off, it was a twenty foot hydoplane with twin 80 hp johnson engines. One Indonesian guy from the Surabaya Yacht Club came on board asking for a trip on the boat with me, He was carrying a pearl handed gun strapped to his waist, so I said, "Hey what are we waiting for!"
Once we had moved off the wharf and got him seated, I pointed the bow into open water and took a firm hold of the wheel, and pushed the throttle to the floor. The bow rose high in the water and the engines roared, in 5 seconds we were travelling at 80 knots over water like glass. The 'G' force pushed my shoulders firmly against the back of my seat making my whole arms rigidly stiff clutching the wheel tight. In 6 minutes we were 10 miles from the ship and I slowed down to walking speed and looked at my companion and asked him gently, " Ada ai?"...How you doin'? He was comatose, but the adrenalin was pumping in me, and I said to him laughing, "Now we are going for a ride...." What a cheek, this guy coming aboard my ship with a weapon. Yet there were other sweet moments that still live on in my mind. Three years with B& S was a great adventure. Since I discovered SMA I almost feel that I'm back! Thanks for the warm email....be in touch.....Jimmy (Skipper James M. Crockett)
Mar 11, 2008 - 04:48 -
Great pix of Crockett! Why did we all of that era of cadets/apprentices think we had to wear our caps like U-boat skippers?
I remember another Davy Crockett of the mid 60's but he was a Cathay Captain
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jimmy responds: "About the U boat captains hat....I tell you honestly....that hat was a boost to my courage and and stature during the first two and a half years of my apprenticeship!
Would you believe it?
I was only five feet tall at 17 when that snap was taken! It was sheer agony!
But I believe in miracles!
When I was 19 and a half years old, I was 5 feet 9 and a half inches tall!
Now there's development for ye!"
Mar 11, 2008 - 15:04 -
John & Diane have finally arrived in Polis, Cyprus and installed ourselves in our new home. The TEU ex UK arrived with all contents, including the 4 x 4 intact which considering it was an MSC job and transhipped in Antwerp was quite amazing. Importing vehicles into Cyprus, despite being an EU member has definate 3rd world conotations. Had to spend 6 hours with the Customs honchos in Limasol and after cumsaw had been exchanged we were given a chit allowing us to collect said vehicle. However we have to front again in 28 days for more negotiations. Didn't mind handing out the goodies when Charterers were paying but now it is moi, God forbid!!! Anyone passing this way is more than welcome to drop in and sample our hospitality Tel. +357 99984064.
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From: Cyprus
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Mar 21, 2008 - 17:55 -
I know that the food on CNCo ships was very good and it certainly allowed us to grow mainly around the waist line, but Jimmy to grow 9" in height in 2 1/2 years, that must have been a great feeding company, why did you leave them ?
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Name: Wallaby supporter
From: XXXX land
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Mar 22, 2008 - 05:36 -
Take no notice of that Wallaby! My grandson was 5'6" at 16 and 6'2 at 18, at 22 he towers at around 6'3" with shoulders like the proverbial brick wotsit. His major game at uni is skimming some saucer-shaped object around a field!!!
For car aficianados, I was involved in a three-car pile-up 10 days ago, my Peugeot 406,(9 years old), was the only driveable vehicle afterwards, the 320 Merc that hit me and the Ford that hit him were kaput! My pride was shortlived as the underwriters took one look and wrote mine off also!! The breathaliser registered zero for me, honestly, thank goodness it was Lent!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Mar 22, 2008 - 05:40 -
P.S. to the above, it is Easter Saturday so Lent is over and I start catching up on six weeks of abstinence!! Bloody cold Easter too, 7 degrees ans my boiler packed up on Thursday, plumber due shortly but on bank holiday will need a mortgage to pay him!!!!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Mar 22, 2008 - 13:48 -
Maurice, Have you not learned yet that driving around Bexhill at a speed in excess of 10 MPH will inevitably cause chaos. Sorry about the weather and your boiler, out here had to have the A/C on for the first time!!! We love it!!
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From: Cyprus
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Mar 24, 2008 - 05:26 -
John,
Where's that pic of you in the new FREE uniform?
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Mar 24, 2008 - 05:38 -
Maurice,
No pics of me but there is one in a recent Swire Shipping News, with Capt. Nigel Prosser and his Officers on Pacific Voyager. Does FJT not send you a copy??
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From: Cyprus
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Mar 26, 2008 - 08:51 -
Well,well,well my old shipmate 'Davy" Jimmy Crockett has finally surfaced[no u-boat pun intended].We sailed together on the Chekiang
9-9-58 to 4-3-59.you were 3/M I was 4/E.
Skipper was Len King,Mate Jim Wilby,2/M
not sure think it was Late Jim Lough.
Jimmy Stewart C/E Sam Lee 2/E George Quine 3/E.we were on the fabulous Japan-West Aussie run I think we might have been the first CNCo ship to carry the live sheep on deck from Freemantle to Singapore,it was standing room only for those poor b----ers
they were so tightly packed in, one or two of them would creep up the companionway ladder from the main deck to the officers deck and at one evening meal Captain King
remarked "I'm suprised you haven't had any of these sheep come into your cabin" to which Jim Wilby replied quick as a flash
" No not this trip captain, we didn't bring our wellington boots".This brought roars of laughter around the table but the skipper didn't think it very funny.
One of the other regular cargoes was the deadly Blue Asbestos fibres from Point Sampson, on numerous occasions over the years I have wondered how many of our shipmates this poisonous fibre may have infected and in some cases tragically.
Jimmy if only you would have found this site a week earlier I was in HK from the 9th to 14 March we could have remeniced over a couple San Migs or G+Ts.I was a little disappointed with your Now picture, we can't see what you are drinking.
By the way I heard that story of you and
Robbie too, a slightly different version.
Cheers mate,
E-mail: georgelatham@tadaust.org.au
Name: george latham
From: The most livable city in OZ
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Mar 29, 2008 - 04:21 -
Pretty stuff that Blue Asbestos! I think all the wharfies at Point Samson received compensation. I understand that the place is now a large holiday resort, might check it out on my next trip to Oz. My first visit there was memorable, seven dents in the starboard shoulder!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Mar 29, 2008 - 07:36 -
Members all,
I have just received the following message from Colin Darch and I think we can all now breathe a sigh of relief that one of our best after dinner speakers really does have a fantastic story to tell us. Anyway...here's his message...
Colin Darch, with an Irish Chief Engineer and six Russian crew, was delivering a new ice class tug from St. Petersburg to Singapore and eventually Sakhalin, when on 1st Feb. 2008 the voyage was interrupted. Five armed Somalis in a 35 knot boat attacked the tug. Violent manouevres with the thrusters succeeded in partly swamping the boat and casting one pirate into the sea where he lost his boarding ladder.However when a second boat appeared on scene with four more bandits the game was up, and some boarded and arrived with kalshnikovs on the bridge. Asked his name Colin said, "Colin" and was for the next 47 days referred to as Captain Colin. The first boat was abandoned to sink after engine was transferred to second boat which already had two engines, Yamaha 48 hp. Pirates then attempted to lift the boat on board with the crane but slung it so badly that it rose from the water at 45 degrees until the aft sling parted and boat, engines, ammunition, clothes etc. sank a mile to the bottom. The Irish chief and I thought of Spike Milligans Eccles and struggled not to laugh. Then it was off down the Somali coast to various dangerous anchorages, with no paper chart but an outdated pirated electronic chart and a good sounder.Lost port anchor and 6 shackles but after that Omar the Chief pirate let me have more say in where we dropped the hook. Every day I got on the sat phone to the Danish owners and the struggle to agree a ransom figure went on. On 11th Feb I sent a coded message to the US warship hovering nearby that when they saw us blacked out we would be safely locked away aft and they could attack and restore our freedom.At midnight we made our way to the ER, Fred blacked out the ship including ER emergency lights, threww oil over ER stairs and we retreated behind WT doors. They broke through the first door quickly so all except Fred, who hid under a thruster, went into the aft peak tank.18 hours later with no sign of yanks we gave ourselves up.
After that we were more closely confined, in fact spent day and night in the wheelhouse. The sum was agreed after 21 days but the next 26 days was spent figuring out how to receive it. They had no bank accounts so it had to be cash, but they had no passports to go abroad and collect, they had no respectable friends to help them and nobody dared bring it into Somalia. They began threatening to run the ship ashore, shoot the Russians and take me and Fred into the bush, or rather desert. However the cash finally arrived by a method I cannot disclose. After counting, and sharing out, they numbered about 20 by this time, some went ashore locally and 7 opted for dropping off 80 miles up the coast. Once clear by 200 miles from the coast the yanks sent a rib with enough breakfast to feed a rugby team, crockery, cutlery, napery, and baseball caps for me and Fred. To Salalah Hilton to debriefing, and medical. I might have brucellosis from untreated Camel milk, broke a tooth on tough goat, lost half a stone and dried out for several weeks so blood pressure optimal instead of the usual marginal. A new delivery crew took over and Fred and I met our wives for a few days in Dubai. I swore that was my last trip and I would take up gardening, but.........there's a little job, Liverpool to Gibraltar in April, and I'm tempted.
Will flesh out the story at our reunion in September.
fond regards to all, Colin Darch
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe (Centre for Piracy)
http:// www.swiremariners.com
For as long as the link remains live, you can see Colin in his own TV show here. HOW much? :) - MAJB

Apr 01, 2008 - 06:21 -
Wonderful Colin and a very warm welcome back from all here at JS&S. Should be a good turnout for Newcastle on the strength of this but you really should not have gone to all that trouble...goat needs quite a long time in the pot.
E-mail: fjt@jssldn.co.uk
Name: Jules
From: Ivory Tower, 59 BG
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Talking of dangers at sea...

Word reaches us that Brian Cushing and Julian Thorogood are intending to row (scull) up the Thames on Friday 25th April. Yes, you'd better read that line again, I certainly did. Are the breweries closed? Have they joined a cult? We may never know... anyway, Julian writes that "Brian and I will be flying the Red Ensign from the stern and generating the normal hand signals when passing the Houses of Parliament. Unbeknownst to land lubbers we have scheduled our effort with a flood tide but don't let the Corporates know that!! My youngest Son and Brian's youngest Daughter will be in the chase boat acting as personal trainers. We pass under a number of bridges so anyone that wants to drop anything on us your time has come... we hope to end up at the White Swan, Twickenham for rehydration. A number of SMA members will be present. We of course could well be in the oxygen tent at the Teddington Royal Infirmary..."
This is clearly the most exciting news to come from London for many a moon so it is hoped that all those who would like a good laugh will turn out for the event and share an ale or two in the White Swan whether or not our hardy adventurers ever arrive. We did a little research into their chosen vessel...
‘Megan’ – historic Thames camping skiff – built by Turks in 1888 and part of the Turks fleet that was used by Jerome K. Jerome on his historic journey. The skiff is kitted out in full Edwardian camping mode to include canopy, wicker baskets and seats.

This can't be right, of course... they must have stripped her down for the trip, given the personal weight they have to carry. Anyway, those who would like to know more should download full detais of this bold adventure here in PDF format. Good luck, fellows!
STOP PRESS: As at 26th April, 2008, Jules' and Brian's epic Thames voyage is now online in our Rogues' Gallery - MAJB
Apr 03, 2008 - 22:53 -
A brief very envious and supportive cheer for messrs Thorogood and Cushing in their voyage under oars.The Thames is a lovely river.Sixty three years ago I was part of a 'four' that rowed from Abingdon to Marlow- all much easier then , sliding seats and the rest and of course negative camping gear.
They will have earned their beer.Good luck gentlemen.
E-mail: benaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: James / ben Aldiss
From: Neptune-deep end
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Apr 04, 2008 - 04:43 -
Best wishes to Brian and Julian for their planned epic voyage of discovery to Teddington. As I won't be arriving in the U.K. until 4 June I won't be on hand to drink their pints at The White Swan (they of course will not be in any condition to partake). Perhaps they could do a re-run when I do arrive!! I am looking forward to catching up with some of you again on the Thames get together.
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Name: Proud All Black Supporter celebrating the win at Hong Kong Sevens
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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Apr 04, 2008 - 10:38 -
Got excited at thought of watching Jules and Brian rowing,scrounge a bed at my son's place at Twickenham and drink the White Swan dry, BUT shall be showing 'er indoors the delights of Egypt as a birthday present. ( I wonder if Ben Aldiss remembers writing a poem about Egypt? I can recall the last few words "I fulfilled my lifes ambition from an aeroplane in flight, When I piddled on the .....from a very dizzy height").
Good luck J & B, I return on 28 April so perhaps I should check the White swan then to see if you are still there!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Apr 04, 2008 - 17:09 -
I didn't realise that the glorious stuff up at Heathrow was that bad, and the traffic congestion so heavy that one had to row up the Thames to get anywhere. Just as well there are a few watering holes along the way. Wishing you all the best.
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Name: Wallaby supporter
From: XXXX land
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Apr 04, 2008 - 22:42 -
Yes Maurice I remember the verse you mention.You've got the bulk of it. Have a good holiday.See you perhaps this coming August.
E-mail: benaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: Ben / James aldiss
From: mostly mars
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Apr 05, 2008 - 08:34 -
Haven't heard anything from the Land of the Long White Cloud on the subject of cricket! Hasn't been much about it here either, the media is too busy reporting the latest developments from Terminal 5 at Heathrow! Does the IOC really believe that there is anyone in this country capable of organising the Olympics? I'm afraid we have passed our sell-by date and could not now organise the proverbial in the brewery. No doubt when the culprit at Terminal 5 is discovered he/she will be given a peerage and a post in government!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Apr 05, 2008 - 23:05 -
WHY??????
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Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Apr 06, 2008 - 07:28 -
Oh Ancient Mariner having just come from watching on TV New Zealand loose to South Africa in the final of the Adelaide 7's I find you rubbing salt into the wounds bringing up the subject of the game for gentlemen - cricket. We felt so sorry for the plight of "Old Blighty" that we allowed you to win a couple of games in order to lul you into a false sense of security before the upcoming series in England. Ben's poem brought back memories of the KL cruises and the laughter of the passengers when he recited it. Another was little Jack Horner recited in Hindi I think.
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Name: Proud All Black Supporter drowning his sorrows at the loss at the Adelaide Sevens
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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Apr 06, 2008 - 09:22 -
"Why", did Bob say? 'Cos that is what this bunch of galahs is made up of, failures!
Good job Colin Darch was no longer working for CNCo., I wouldn't have recommended paying £350,000-. for him!!! Sorry Colin but £20-. and an Argos voucher would have been top price.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Apr 06, 2008 - 17:52 -
Oh!dear one's past confronts one. Little Jack Horner in Hindi- now that was along time ago.'Chota Jack Horner in corner benaiger(phonetic spelling sorry)The days of the Malim Sahib's Hindustani have long gone and with it other translated gems such as Little Red Riding hood, almost a pity.Somewhere someone must have preserved them
E-mail: benaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: ben aka James Aldiss
From: Ma's
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Apr 09, 2008 - 07:10 -
MAJB - Please send me your email address, I have joined the 21st century & am now laptop & wireless, I am now free of all those bloody cords et.al!!! I sent you an email & it was "bounced" by the postmaster..
E-mail: wmgibson@bigpond.com
Name: Warwick M Gibson
From: Oz
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Your cordless wonder is lying to you, Warwick. Received your email, no problem. But for the sake of record, I am still at MABeaumont@aol.com - MAJB
Apr 16, 2008 - 04:26 -
Ben, it would be a pity if Malim Sahib's poetical gems were lost to posterity. Perhaps your next book could be The Lost Poems of Malim Sahib? It could be fun researching for them!!?! Although more sins of the past might be uncovered.
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Name: Go the Crusaders & Skope Tactix
From: Aotearoa
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Apr 18, 2008 - 00:29 -
Re the Malim Sahib's Hindi.Kai Ora Kiwi!Your suggestion is taken to heart but at present I have a new novel coming out in about four weeks time, and another on the stocks .Little Red Riding Hood -Chota Lal jiggy jig topee-will have to wait.Besides we live in a boringly PC world. Who would publish the stuff?
E-mail: jamesaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: Ben Aldiss
From: Ma's
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Apr 18, 2008 - 03:08 -
Recently read a book entitled "Eight Bells & Top Masts" by Christopher Lee. It is about his two years as an apprentice on board s.s."Saint Gregory", the ship on which yours truly spent nearly four years as one of the lowest! He refers to the ship docking at Taikoo in 1958, Taikoo Club and the CNCo Officers' mess. His comments on the "colonials" are interesting and he goes on about their retiring to Bexhill - on - Sea!!!!!!! Would you believe that when he docked at Taikoo "Hanyang" was alredy in the drydock ahead of them and I was Chief Officer!
Christopher was obviously more intelligent than I, he gave up the sea and read History. ,He has written several plays and articles for TV, including "This Sceptered Isle"; edited the new edition of Churchill's "History of the English-speaking Peoples" and has just completed a biography of Lord Carrington. I have .......................
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Apr 20, 2008 - 17:31 -
Hi all,
I am reading Paul Theroux's book "The Happy Isles of Oceana" published in 1993,written the year before as he mentions the start of the 1st Gulf war. I am astonished at his descriptions of Port Moresby (dangerous) and Honiara (filthy). Has any body been to these places recently and are they really so dreadful? I won't say that they were pristine but they were quite pleasant places to visit, certainly the top and bottom bars in PM. My memory of Honiara is of a neat and tidy place. What happened?
Terry.
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Name: T H Connell
From: Edinburgh.
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Apr 23, 2008 - 10:00 -
I have recently returned from spending a week in Shanghai,what a fantastic city it now is compared with the dreary,drab place it was when I first visited in 1958 on the Poyang.The contrast of skylines on the banks of the Huangpu on the east the futuristic modern towers of Pudong and the old colonial domes and spires of the Bund on the west.Many of the buildings have been renovated to their former glory,
others such as Shanghai Club and "old" B&S
HQ are at present being worked on,I tried unsuccessfully to get in but got knocked back.I have submitted a couple of photos of HQ to the Rogues Gallery{the yesteryear one with kind permission of John Swire & Sons Ltd London}.I also checked out the 'notorious Blood Alley'presently known as Xikou lu which is just around the corner from HQ but alas only a couple of the original buildings still standing and due for demolition.Another famous structure is the B&S Mansion which is now part of the Radisson Plaza Xingguo Hotel complex,it's occupied by permanent residents.If you "google" swire mansion shanghai and click on the English-eastday.com link for the history of the mansion, worth a look.It has been a memorable experience and even now I am considering returning next year.
E-mail: georgelatham@tadaust.org.au
Name: george latham
From: Land of the wizard- - - - -OZ
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See George's pics in our Rogues' Gallery. But George, looking at the pics, the windows are different; did you approach from a different angle, or is that possibly not the same building? Nuisance, aren't I? :) -MAJB
Apr 23, 2008 - 20:48 -
I know you can buy "FAKE" Rolex and Gucci in Shanghai but not Fake B&S HQ's
The building has obviously had some external reno work done to the window,balcony, and 'eyebrow' ledges.
E-mail: georgelatham@tadaust.org.au
Name: george latham
From: Still at Home
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Apr 24, 2008 - 01:53 -
Have the pics been censored?
Not on Rogues Gallery?
E-mail: georgelatham@tadaust.org.au
Name: george latham
From: Close to the LCD screen.
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They are there, for sure, George. Maybe try refreshing your browser? Otherwise, you might clear your cache/temporary files, which is a techy way of saying that if you have previously visited a site and visit it again, sometimes your computer will remember the previous version of a page and not bring up the new one. Finally, a surefire solution is to simply reboot your computer, and all should be well on re-entry - MAJB
Apr 25, 2008 - 07:03 -
Thanks Mark refresh did the trick.
E-mail: george latham@tadaust.org.au
Name: george latham
From: OZ
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Apr 26, 2008 - 08:30 -
All,
I was on HQS Wellington for the monthly Curry Lunch yesterday when our Quarterdeck libations were interrupted by the passing of a Sampan propelled by two stalwarts and flying the Taikoo passing upriver.
A hearty cheer was raised and they were gone!!
Yours aye,
John Kelly
E-mail: john.kelly15@virgin.net
Name: John Kelly
From: Norfolk
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Jules' and Brian's epic Thames voyage is now online in our Rogues' Gallery. Not to be missed! - MAJB
Apr 26, 2008 - 21:36 -
All the talk of "Old Shanghai" brings back memories (not good) of being on the Chin Wan Tau to Shanghai coal run in 1958ish - only allowed ashore in Shanghai under escort to the Seamans Club and with the curfew to be back onboard by 2200hrs.If you drank too much (not me of course) they provided rooms at the club.Sleep was hardly possible with the noise of the hundreds of coolies between the shafts of their rickshaws pulling about 2 cubic metres at a time of the coal we had just discharged,this went on all night!!I think complete discharge was accomplished in 36 hrs.by coolies shovelling coal rapidly into cargo nets and we were in a lot of trouble if the winches broke down.They did on one occasion,about three in the morning and the alleyways were filled with screaming coolies all armed with there shovels.A lot of letter writing followed apologising to all and sundry.
A very trying six months for all concerned,no pics all cameras being confiscated!!!
E-mail:
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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May 02, 2008 - 02:03 -
Fellow Members,
Some sad news I'm afraid. I have just received an e-mail from Ron Sullivan that included a message about Pat Blamey. I never knew him but I am sure many of you did....anyway, here is a copy of the news about him.........
Dear Ron and Irene, I find I do not have your phone number only your address so I am sorry our sad news has to be delivered this way.
Our poor darling Patrick passed away yesterday at 3.15 pm. He was very brave and alert and orientated right up until the end. He did so want to stay alive for us dear soul that he was.
He will have his funeral service at the Mission to Sea farers chapel in Melbourne at a date still to be set maybe Monday of next week.
All I have time for now. You might like to let his old mates north of the
border know.
Love to you both,
Jennifer.
May he rest in peace
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
May 02, 2008 - 18:13 -
Fellow Members........ More news about Pat Blamey.
His funeral is to take place on Monday 5th May at 1400hrs at the Mission to Seafarers, 717 Flinders Street, Docklands Melbourne, Vic. 3008 and any messages should be sent to......... chaplain.mtsmelb@swiftdsl.com.au
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
May 09, 2008 - 04:02 -
Looks like an SMA member has made the front page. No,it's not on the "Americas most Wanted" list but the May issue of the MNAOA's "TELEGRAPH".
E-mail:
Name: Gilbert Reid
From: Canada.
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May 12, 2008 - 00:06 -
I only did 2 contracts with CNCo. I found some of the most pathetic ships officers that I have ever sailed with. Better described as remittance men. O'Keeffe, Coy, Darch, Porter, Limbrick, Pook, Feather, Hutchinson, Ennion, Fleming, Nettleship and so on. Ships where there were no deviation cards, Masters who dealt with the Bridge through the "tiger", Mates who thought GM was "George Medal". Masters who refused to allow radar before 0800 as it might disturb their sleep. Ships where the after peak tank was rotted through. Ships where the gin bottle was cracked at 1000 and capped at 1300.
No thanks. NEVER AGAIN.
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Name:
From: Singapore
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May 12, 2008 - 00:53 -
How long would two contracts be? Six or eight years? Got to hand it to the bloke, his perseverence is commendable, but maybe a bit slow on the uptake. By the way what did GM stand for if it wasn't George Medal?
E-mail: mike.okeeffe@yahoo.com.au
Name: Mike O'Keeffe
From: Earth
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May 12, 2008 - 01:19 -
A contract with CNCo was 2 years.
Ah, Capt O'Keeffe, g'day sunshine. Got pissed off didn't you when the 3rd Mate (can't remember his name) screwed yr girlfriend (Mrs Drost). I recall you tried to dump him by a "man overboard exercise". Sadly for you he performed a perfect Williamson turn. Your friend Darch took 90 minutes to organise a motor lifeboat.
O'Keeffe ... Shipmaster ... I think not.
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Name:
From: Blackpool
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May 12, 2008 - 05:45 -
I thought GM stood for a Gin Martini as against VM Vodka Martini or as Ben would have it VGM Vodka and Gin Martini or Very Good Martini. How mistaken I have been these past 40+ years. I only sailed with 6 of the aforementioned past CNCo Officers and enjoyed their company. I was always brought up not to speak ill of the dead and some of those mentioned have crossed the bar God Rest their Souls. Somehow in the 12 very happy years I spent in CNCo I missed out sailing with pathetic people on rust buckets but I did sail with one Master who locked the radar each night. However, his name is not mentioned above.
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Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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May 12, 2008 - 07:12 -
Oh what a shame the gentleman didn't have the courage to leave his details except Singapore..or was it Blackpool? Anyway it would have been nice to have hauled out his old confidential reports to see what the honorable gentlemen he mentioned thought of him. Never mind, if not that, then I could have at least asked him if he wanted to join the SMA where we laugh at old times, not bitch about them
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
May 12, 2008 - 09:26 -
Presumably there were no deviation cards as there were no deviates aboard, other than "Singapore/Blackpool"? Sounds as if this rather sad person has been hitting the gin bottle himself!
I know/knew all of the mentioned officers and would be happy to sail with them again. Must confess I don't recall 2-year contracts.
Don't worry about his joining SMA Stu, we're not that desperate.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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May 12, 2008 - 09:30 -
P.S. If you did find that persons confidential reports I bet there's one saying "I would hesitate to breed from this person"
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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May 12, 2008 - 18:03 -
I have just received word that Bryan Dixon-Ward died at 0415 EST on Monday 12th May in Melbourne. Bryan and I joined CNCo at the same time and sailed together on our first ship. We subsequently sat Mates and Masters together. I was unaware that he was so sick so his passing has been a shock. A great man and a good shipmate.
E-mail: mike.okeeffe@yahoo.com.au
Name: Mike O'Keeffe
From: Sydney NSW
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May 13, 2008 - 19:10 -
I have been reading the comments made by Singapore/Blackpool.What a poor pathetic man. I was pleased to have sailed with the majority of the gents mentioned. I fondly remember times spent with them.Fine men all.
Regards to all.
E-mail: mtidey@bigpond.com
Name: Mike Tidey
From: Brisbane,the garden city.
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May 14, 2008 - 02:42 -
Well, Well, Well, some blokes do like to winge, should try to see the bright side of life - probably he was one of those "winging Poms" who couldn't do a bloody thing right, and too lousy to pick up the tab when it was his turn - or perhaps he is mixing up his shipping Co's. Contracts in '59 were for 3 years, and I spent a glorious 6 years with CNCo, and have lots of happy memories,- definitely no regrets.
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Name: Wallaby supporter & happy ex CNC engineer
From: XXXX land
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May 14, 2008 - 04:00 -
Bryan Dixon-Ward's funeral will take place on Tuesday 20th at 10 am. The location is:
Tobin Bros Chapel
Cranbourne Rd
Frankston Vic
E-mail: mike.okeeffe@yahoo.com.au
Name: Mike O'Keeffe
From: Sydney NSW
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May 14, 2008 - 04:49 -
Just a note to add to previous entry re Bryan Dixon-Ward's passing on 12th May.
To-days " Age " has a lovely message from an anonymous contributor saying simply " Sailed away peacefully ...."
Very sad at the comparatively early age of 75.
E-mail: hmlade@optusnet.com.au
Name: Harvey Lade.
From: The land mass west of Aotearoa
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May 14, 2008 - 06:02 -
Unfortunately, another of our number has sailed his final voyage. I hope that Bryan finds his place in our "Bungalow" in the sky with those who have gone before. I only sailed for a short period with him when he was Master but "Klaxton Horn" was another of Swire's gentlemen. It was good to see that Harvey still is keeping in touch.
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Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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May 14, 2008 - 16:48 -
I hope Lois Dixon-Ward is reading in. I sailed with my friend "Klackers" on many occasions both on "Coral Chief" and on "Asian Pearl". I can tell many stories about at-sea rescues and other fine attributes of his seamanship as a Ship's Master, but we all know them.
I sailed with some of the finest Masters I have had the pleasure to meet in CNCo, some became Reef Pilots, some remained with CNCo. Bryan was one of the finest, not only as a Ship's Master but as a personal friend.
In the early days of ladies going to sea, we had two 3rd Officers who Bryan took under his wing, one being Kathy, the other being Mary. He had the utmost respect for both and tended to treat them more like daughters, they most definitley benefited from his seafaring wisdom and his kindly demeanour.
Bryan taught me to navigate, Norie's et al, and at one stage when I was 2/E called me to the bridge on "CC" to add my penny'worth to some difference to the 2/O's and 3/0's noon sights - in those days as 2/E I used to carry my own sextant - an ex-RN Huson circa 1953.
I pass my condolences to Lois and their two daughters - Bryan lived a very full life and those who new him well must rejoice in having spent time with him.
May Bryan rest in peace and may his family take solace in the many achievements they so nobly assisted him in during his very full life.
Alan Perry
E-mail: afp@afperry.plus.com
Name: Alan Perry
From: Brixham-on-Sea
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May 15, 2008 - 23:45 -
So sorry to hear about BDW.......::::
regarding the other....................it never was a place for the pious and the purse-mouthed.
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Name: Geoff Garrett
From: NZ
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May 26, 2008 - 08:04 -
You are right Alan - Bryan Dixon-Ward was one of life's gentlemen and his support of me when I started out as a junior officer is something I shall be eternally grateful for. He has been part of many of the major events in my life, my 21st, my wedding and my children's baptisms. The last time I saw him a couple of years ago he impressed my boys by letting them sail the 2m long Hunan he had built and was rightly proud of. His larger than life presence will be sorely missed and our thoughta are with Lois Belinda & Kerryn at this time.
E-mail: cgowlett@iprimus.com.au
Name: Cathy Gowlett
From: Brisbane
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May 27, 2008 - 06:41 -
Go the NSW Waratahs on Saturday in CHC. I think the Tah's could, gentlemen, I state COULD beat the Crusaders in CHC, Then what you ALL know, we get a Kiwi & All Black as a Wallaby coach, Robbie Deans. I will bet you Aeotroa's are wishing you had never let him go to the land land of "Drought & flooding rain"
Watch our 2 young lads at #9 & 10 Luke Burgess & Kurley Beale, Kurtley is Aboriginal & is under the eye of Mark Ella, probabley the best fly half the world has ever seen.
E-mail: wmgibson@bigpond.com
Name: warwick
From: Oz
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May 28, 2008 - 02:55 -
Go the Tah's
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Name: Wallaby supporter
From: No Reds - XXXX Land
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May 29, 2008 - 05:40 -
Warwick & Alistair as George Mawson used to say "Laudie Laudie" fancy thinking the Waratahs could beat the mighty Crusaders. Of course in this day and age of professional sport I suppose anything can happen with the Blues players trying to impress "our Robbie" and the Red & Blacks trying to impress your Ewan, who may be our next coach??!
As Bluebell said in Cinderella on the Dominion Monarch "Strange things have come to pass, Price Charming has started stabbing a**". It is a funny world we live in. Perhaps I should place a small amount on the Waratahs and if they win at least I will have the price of a pint on the Thames Cruise in June. Looking forward to being in the U.K. for this.
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Name: Loyal Crusaders Fan
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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May 29, 2008 - 09:02 -
Could somebody please translate the last couple of entries into English?
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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May 29, 2008 - 20:16 -
Dear Ancient Mariner, I think those two puzzling entries about blues and reds were to do with some form of 'Scragby'.Im not sure.
If one must have a spectator sport may I suggest Women's basket ball , the action is faster and the legs much nicer? Cheers
E-mail: jamesaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: james -aka- ben aldiss
From: Ma's
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
May 31, 2008 - 02:15 -
Darrell, with just under an hour and a half to go, I will have a carton of XXXX on the Tah's against your local brew on the Crusaders, that way you will be sure to get your pint +, when we share the proceeds. By the winner has to collect !
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby supporter
From: XXXX Land
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May 31, 2008 - 20:06 -
Thanks Alistair I think that is 2 cases of XXXX you now owe me. Nearly enough to warrant the air fare to that ouback region you have chosen to make your home!!?? It was a very tense match and fitting of a final between 2 very good teams having tenacious defences. Sorry Warwick that your favourite son, Kurtley Beale, got injured but once he learns to kick like Dan Carter he will be a handful. Like Ben I do enjoy the netball and it is about as physical now as rugby.
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Name: Go the Crusaders & Skope Tactix
From: Land of the Long White Cloud - Aotearoa
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Jun 01, 2008 - 01:08 -
It was not until a few days ago when I received a personal letter from Lois Dixon-Ward that I found out that a man who I would class as a role model and mentor had passed away. I sailed with Bryan several times as a junior officer and as a chief officer and over the years we never lost touch. A thorough gentleman and the finest master it has ever been my privilege to serve under.
As many of you who knew him in retirement would know, he had a near miss or two with a heart condition. On the advice of medicos he managed his condition by living quietly but not unproductively. To keep active, Bryan turned out superb model ships - totally authentic and exact in detail and scale. Amongst his large body or work he produced models of Swire's ships by procuring the plans from the office and then painstakingly assembling the model. He got into radio control systems on his last project that he proudly showed me one day. It was a model of the 'Hupeh' (or was it the 'Hunan'?), about two metres long that took two persons to lift. He joined a local radio control boat club to learn about radio systems. The members would meet at a local lake and manoeuvre the models from the shore. Bryan impressed the hell out of them when he told them that he had been master of the real thing. With his controls her could manoeuvre ahead and astern at the various speeds and also raise and lower both anchors and blow the ship's horn. He was very clever. Some of his serious models of historical British coastal vessels are in museums in the UK and his impressive collection at home he has bequeathed to the Greenwich Maritime Museum.
So, you fine gentleman of SOFA, when next you visit a maritime museum keep a good eye out for the name Bryan Dixon-Ward and be proud that one of our own has left his mark on history. I am certainly going to miss him.
E-mail: mc5555@bigpond.com
Name: Mike Colettis
From: Melbourne, Australia
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Jun 01, 2008 - 03:39 -
Darrell, the Crusaders deserved the win and I will be delighted to see you here in the "back blocks" to collect the chilled golden amber fluid,- perhaps on the trip to or from the U.K.? As you said Beale is not in the same league as Dan Carter or Percy Montgomery (Springboks), perhaps he will improve !!!!
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Name: Wallaby supporter with XXXX
From: XXXX Land
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Jun 01, 2008 - 23:34 -
Congratulations to all you Kiwi's across the 'ditch'. The Crusaders were worthy winners on Saurday nite. The Tah's did outscore you two tries to one, but you are correct Dan "the man' Carter is the best fly half in the world. I am sure Kurtley will learn, he is only 19 years old and has just been name in the Aussie under 20's to play the world championships in Wales shortly. Pity Dan Carter has been offered 700 Euros to play for the "Frogs" premier team in Toulouse. There goes your kicking whizz. In the secong division Franch team you have George Gregan, John Kirwan Tana Umnaga (capt/coach) Victor Matfield (RSA). Not a bad backline for a team of retirees?? Don't drink all the XXXX in one day, add a G & T in between. At the moment I am into the Mexican Corona's, that way you get the amber fluid & lemon all in one go. Now you All Blacks, don't flog the Irish too hard, Robbie's got to have his chance to give them a hiding in Melboure. The Wallabies will soften up the French before you have go.
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Name: Warwick
From: Oz
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Jun 02, 2008 - 03:05 -
If the SOFA had fielded a team, we probably wouldn't have managed to get on tothe pitch after having discovered the beer an G&T's, but what the heck it would have been just as memorable !!!!!!!!!!
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Jun 05, 2008 - 07:22 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaREw-4lpvQ&feature=related
A voice from the past
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Name: chaspat
From: Bonnie Scotland
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Jun 05, 2008 - 09:11 -
Gentlemen.....and others.
I recently received the following e-mail from an old CNCo hand and he's looking for modellers......are there any out there? Anyway, does anyone remember Bob Evans? Here's his e-mail.........
Dear Stuart,
By happy chance I stumbled upon the SMA website whilst looking more generally for information regarding ships of the China Navigation Company. I had the pleasure of sailing with CNCo from 1970-74 (well no one is getting younger are they!?) rising to the lofty heights of Second Officer of the Taiyuan from other prestigious positions including Chief Pallet Counter to Captain Jim Lough and Relief Junior Officer on the New Zealand Coast, before being allowed out into the wider world on Kweilin , Shansi, Soochow, Taiyuan and Island Chief.
What started this search in the first place was my interest in model ship building and the desire to build models of ships on which I had sailed, the Kweilin or Taiyuan leading the field. I can find very little information and was hoping you might be able to point me in the correct direction.
In addition it would be wonderful if I could add my name to your list of members and refresh my memories of those years. That is of course if sufficient brain cells from that era remain to be refreshed!
Best wishes
Bob Evans
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Jun 05, 2008 - 11:50 -
Any modellers wishing to contact Bob Evans should e-mail.... d9evans@gmail.com
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: Still High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Jun 09, 2008 - 02:47 -
Gentlemen,
I have received another message from someone looking for members who can help him and I've posted his message below....
acameron@hinet.net.au
Hi!
I have copied the photo of 1964 reunion of six officers of
MV Woosung in Yokohama. You may know it was previously the
merchantman WOODFORD. It was in Sydney and Melbourne as
WOODFORD in 1954- I wonder which company owned/ operated it
then?
For genealogical searching I hope to track Scotsman John
White 2nd Officer or Tony Smith radio officer. Can you guide me?
In late 1950s we shared a Sydney house with Mike Young (ex
Hong Kong) from Swire & Yuill, and in 1970s we were
neighbours of John Mayes also from Swire & Yuill. You may
know those names.
Hoping for your reply!
Cheers,
ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A.
Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/
PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA
Visit Bundanoon Village Website... http://www.bundanoon.nsw.au/
E-mail: Sshie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Jun 09, 2008 - 06:37 -
Oh! what a nite to play 'footy' in Wellington NZ last Saturday. Ever the Irish had hypothermea!! This Saturday in Melboure they will have the roof closed on the Telstra Dome, so the conditions will be dry. We will see how 'Aussie Bob' goes (the nickname we have given him)Robbie Deans..
The Irish will have mostly monster 'Munster Men' in the forwards, but I think our backs will play an open game. Wallabies by at least 10-15 points.
E-mail: wmgibson@bigpond.com
Name: Warwick
From: Oz
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Jun 10, 2008 - 06:12 -
"Woodford" was owned by Britain Steamship Co. Ltd.(Watts Watt). Try www.shipsnostalgia.com
The name Mike Young rings a bell but can't quite place him.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jun 10, 2008 - 19:14 -
How often do you say that these days Most Ancient One?"rings a bell but can't quite place him"
E-mail:
Name: Can't quite remember,it's coming back ,Bob !!!!
From:
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Jun 11, 2008 - 02:53 -
Bob,
Nearly every morning when I look in the mirror!
Trust you are recovered and well?
Just off to London to join some band of ruffians on a Thames cruise. Unfortunately the Mem is incapacitated following a foot operation so I shall leave her comfortable with the gin bottle within reach!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jun 12, 2008 - 18:16 -
Warwick, You Aussies may have renamed him Aussie Bob but to us Cantabrians he will always be Our Robbie. Just remember the mighty men of Munster once beat the All Blacks!! It hurts me that I have to cheer for the Wallabys on Saturday but I don't want Robbie to start his career in OZ with a loss.
E-mail:
Name: Proud A B supporter
From: Land of the long white cloud
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Jun 12, 2008 - 18:38 -
Does this now mean that the Proud All Black Supporter is now about to cross the ditch ?
E-mail:
Name: Always a "Wallaby Supporter"
From: XXXX Land
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Jun 13, 2008 - 14:58 -
Dear Stu,
Very many thanks for your work in setting up the cruise.
From Jayne and myself thank you.
Yours aye,
John and Jayne Kelly
PS We are wearing well the "High Cost of Low living!!" or something like that.
E-mail: john.kelly15@virgin.net
Name: John Kelly
From: Norfolk UK
http://
See 2008 Thames Cruise pics, now online - MAJB
Jun 17, 2008 - 07:12 -
We never made it to Champagne Charlies as we had a train to catch. We missed it and ended up in the Charing Cross hotel where my brother paid £9.45 for two bottles of London Pride, this included £1.50 service charge for the barman to take the caps off! Food was great, even though the Chef's name was Trevor!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jun 23, 2008 - 12:13 -
Hello all,
Have you seen this?
Lloyds List..
Green CNCo!
E-mail: t.connell@btopenworld.com
Name: Terry Connell
From: Edinburgh.
http://
Terry also writes:
"All well,I trust? May I trouble you for some info,please?
Would it be possible to put a message on the board containing these
pictures. I need to identify the `officer in the lifeboat.In the
other pic he is at the tiller. It's Peter Bamford at the engine.
He was 2nd or 3rd mate of the Soochow in August and September 1960.
I was 1st Mate and on my last trip before leaving for the UK.
We organized a picnic/barbecue on a small island just across from
Kavieng for the crew and passengers.Barry Gant was there too.He was
2nd Engineer."
Maybe post here if you can answer Terry? - MAJB
Stu Shields has received this CNCo Newsletter from Vancouver, albeit some 43 years late. A good read, though... anyone onboard to remember this occasion? - MAJB
Jun 25, 2008 - 05:03 -
Regarding Terrys query of 23 June. I don't recognise the guy on the tiller but I'm sure that is Peter Bamforth 3/E at the Lifeboat engine controls. When he signed on "CHEFOO" as 3/E with 2nd.class cert.I went back to 4/E again!!(remember 5/E, 4/E & 3/E all made the same wages unless you had a 2nd.class certificate. Then, there was no 3rd.or 4th.Eng. certs.)
Peter had a close shave, literally, when, not long after joining "CHEFOO", the ME turning gear was started when Peter was putting on the hand operated ratchet for the worm wheel.The swinging lever missed his head but took his glasses off.(probably the same ones as in those lifeboat photos!!) They were found months later having worked there way up to the ER bilge strum box.
A photo of Peter is included in "Chefoo" crew of Dec.1961 in the "Rogues Gallery".
Regards to "Auld Reekie"
E-mail: reidgilbert@hotmail.com
Name: Gilbert Reid
From: B.C. Canada.
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Jun 25, 2008 - 11:45 -
I have several pics of "Tientsin" fire in HK, I was Len King's assistant at the time when the bold men of HK Fire Brigade, (all wanting to earn their MBE), opened the hatch! I seem to recall that LK wanted to go straight to dock and flood the hold but was over-ruled. 'Bugs' Bunney was Master I think. Please don't critcise the neswletter, most of that came from the Marine Supt.'s Assistant's desk!!!!! My oldest one is January 1964.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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We're on a roll here. Miles Dodd writes:
"I posted some CNCo ships' photos at:
www.rhiw.com/y_mor/ships_photos_02/cnco_01.htm
On the same site some Blue Funnel:
www.rhiw.com/y_mor/blue_funnel_02/ships_07/ships_07.htm
and a couple each of Brocklebank and PSNC.
Hope the CNCo ones at least may be of some interest."
We're certainly nurturing nostaligia this week! - MAJB
Jun 25, 2008 - 19:45 -
In "Rogues Gallery" / Alistair's Anchorage, there is a photo taken on 30-1-63 of Peter Bamforth, Chris Coy, Bob Macgregor and Alan Maxwell at Sydney airport when we were pouring Alan on to a plane on his return to South Africa. Never did hear if he got home !
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX land
http://
Jun 25, 2008 - 19:52 -
Miles Dodd. How nice to see yet another name from the past. Trust retirement is treating you well
E-mail: jamesaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: Ben Aldiss
From: Ma's
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Jun 26, 2008 - 05:22 -
Miles Dodd retired! Surely not, that would mean we are all getting old!!!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jun 26, 2008 - 13:03 -
Interesting reading The CNCo Newsletter of the Tientsin jute fire.Chungking in late 66 or early 67 she also had a jute fire which "came to light" not long after arrival from Bangkok in Hong Kong on Buoy A36.I was 2nd. Mate and had been ashore the previous night celebrating with my brother who was 2nd mate of an RFA and a school mate also 2nd mate on Blue Flu's Antilochus. We had not seen one another for some years.
Anyway upshot was rather sluggish 2nd mate was summoned on deck to find smoke pouring from No.2 hatch vents.All hatches were already closed as there was no cargo work. The Master Mickie Seale was ashore, he lived in HK,and there was no Mate as Geoff Norcott ? had been appointed to another v/l.
So into action,batten down start boundary cooling,and put in the Co2, phone Master, phone Office.After some time The Possee arrives led by the fireboat Alexander. Grantham.
It took some days of drenching with water by cutting holes in the decks,and injecting High X foam (a new toy The HK Fire Brigade had). All to no avail as was dramatically evident when the hatch was opened. Back to sqare one Inject more Co2.This was done for the next five days with fresh supplies of Co2 coming daily from ashore. After that it was decided to take us to Taikoo Dock where talk of dry dock and flooding was stopped by The Fire Chief who persuaded Len King Mar. Supt. that it was not a good idea as wet jute expanded three and half times its normal volume, and that it may have adverse effect on the ship despite having got away with it in Tientsin.
More days at Takoo and more Co2 when hatches were openened and jute was pitch forked into cargo nets and dragged from tween deck and hold wings with grappling hooks to the hatch square. It was already tightly packed being fairly wet. It would ignite in the cargo net before landing on the dock where it was doused with more water.
The new mate appeared during this time and if I recall correctly was Don Ramsey.Eventually we continued our voyage to Japan with buckled Deep Tank bulkheads.Perhaps the reason for Chungking's being sold.
We did'nt get a mention in The Cnco News because I think The Junior Mar. Supt. had already got writers cramp from the previous incident. If I recall correctly Jimmie Adam was Eng. Supt. Peter Roberts was Tonnage Mngr. Mr Maccallum CNCO MD. The others on board were 3rd mate Paddy Arburthnot 2/Eng Bill Farrow and the C/Eng was from Watts Watt ex "W" V/l. No doubt The Ancient Mariner will correct me or confirm he's the one with writers cramp !
E-mail: walkeratsea@hotmail.co.uk
Name: David R Walker
From: Newton Ferers or on "The Dolphin" Moon
http://
Jun 27, 2008 - 15:27 -
Pretty close, David! I think the problem on "Tientsin" was not the sea-grass which may have started the fire but all the plastics filling the rremainder of the hold, they wer pretty unstable once ignited.
I do remember the "Chungking" jute fire. Yes, Don Ramsey did become Mate, (it was Dave Norcott before). You may not be aware that some days after you sailed the bales of jute landed at Taikoo went up again, the jocks at Dockyard were not amused!!!
I used to think that the reason "Chungking" was sold was because I had become Master of it, reward for three years in the office! I still have the bridge bell and the brass plaque which used to adorn the dining room, a history panel of "Chungkings" I,II & III.
Happy days!
Hope my clerical friend across the water is behaving himself David?
Maurice
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jul 01, 2008 - 07:34 -
In deference to the Ancient Mariner, who declinedto comment on the poor performance of the Black Caps in the Test Series, I have not made reference to the demolition of the English Rugby side by the All Blacks or of the Black Caps success in the One Day series as I predicted on the Thames Cruise. However, I must congratulate Andy Murray on his gutsy fight yesterday evening at Wimbleton to advance to the 4th round. The summer cruise was a great success, worth the expense of coming over to this sunny centre of the Empire. Great to catch up with Mat Coyne and John Kelly after all these years and the food was excellent Trevor. Great work by Stu, Greame and the committee in organising a wonderful day. Don't know if I will make it back for next year!!
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Name: Proud A B supporter
From: Aotearoa, land of the Long White Cloud
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Jul 01, 2008 - 18:28 -
In 1959 on joining CNCo, I was interviewed by Mr Campbell in the London office. The 3 year contract was signed, medical examination conducted, passport application and photo completed, plane flights booked etc. - all within 2 hours. Three weeks later I flew out to HK with Ken Deakin. This in the days before computers and internet etc. CNCo really were well organised in this, no doubt others had a similar experience.
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX land
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Jul 05, 2008 - 08:05 -
Yes Alistair I had the same experience in 1961. Going up to Canon Street on 17 December for interview with Chotopeck Campbell and finding myself flying out of Heathrow with Long John Longhurst on 2 January 1962. Great service without all these new fangle gadgetry. George Mawson used to say "You go down t' Wanchai and they know, they know in t' office before you get the shiny part in". Nowadays with cell phone, email & GPS they would know before you even left to go to Wanchai!!?
E-mail:
Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Land of the Long White Cloud
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Jul 05, 2008 - 16:38 -
Darrell, no doubt, in spite of being far from your beloved Aotearoa, you have now heard that the All Blacks won the first Tri-nations game - congratulations. We have now successfully completed our training sessions against the tourists, under your unwanted coach, and are now anticipating the real contest namely the Springboks and the All Blacks. By the way does anyone remember the story (truth) about the chap who, in the 1950's, arrived at Kai Tak to join CNCo with a racing bicycle in his luggage !!!
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Jul 06, 2008 - 08:28 -
A Racing Bicycle !!! How Common. I thought The Chaps of yore joined with their Polo Ponies.
Anyway anyone who joined in those days must of smelt a rat joining an outfit that had "a three story Bungalow"
When I joined it was Chotapeg Campbell and Sir John Kinloch interviewing. They didn't ask anything about ships I passed muster on questions about farming in Devon.
E-mail: walkeratsea@hotmail.co.uk
Name: David R Walker
From: Newton Ferrers
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Jul 07, 2008 - 05:22 -
David, With all due respect to Chota Campbell and John Kinloch I doubt whether either gentleman could have asked many questions about ships! I was interviewed by Chota, at Billiter Square, and J.A.Swire; Chota showed me a fleet list and pointed out that new boys did not go to the "cream" i.e.Changsha and Taiyuan. I spent three weeks on Hanyang, another three on Taikoo and then joined Taiyuan for an eighteen month stint. I still have the "Outline of Conditions of Service for Navigating and Engineer Officers" booklet. Rates of pay for 2nd Mates cert and Uncert. Engineers was £44-. per month plus an allowance whilst on service in the East of HK$187.50 per month,(a HK$ being worth 1s.3d.or 6p in today's money).
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uka
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jul 07, 2008 - 06:25 -
David & Maurice, I can't remember who joined with a racing bike but Bill Pollock joined Kweichow as Master complete with a mini car to drive around the boat deck. Ted Jeggo went one better when C/Eng with a Land Rover which we had to put ashore at each port in New Zealand before we could start cargo work. Wages had gone up to £77/month by the time I joined but without any allowance. Port Line was only offering £44 for me to go back with them.
E-mail:
Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Land of the Long White Snow Cover
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Jul 08, 2008 - 02:57 -
Ancient mariner , your comment prompted me to have a look at the engineer's contract which I signed in 1959. On reading it, I am reminded that we must have had a very good record of being the "most obedient industrious and abstemious" engineers afloat as we could be dismissed for a number of offences including drunkenness, neglect of duty etc. the penalty was also 100 pounds!! I suppose the deck dep't had these conditions as well. Obviously the reports of "high jinks" and "wild parties" were just figments of the imagination of the those unfortunates from the likes of Singapore and Blackpool
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land - making up for my abstemious past !
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Jul 08, 2008 - 03:35 -
Behind Mr.Campbells office desk in Billiter Sq., was a map of the Far East. During my Oct.1959 interview, while waving his hands over the map he explained how the cold winds came down from the North during the summer and warm winds up from the South in winter to keep HK temp.steady. Great weather for golf so I should bring my golf clubs. For the short time I spent in HK I never did see a golf course, at least, there is none around Wanchai or Ashley Road in Kowloon!! It's a known fact that if Herr Hitler had Mr.Campbell as his Propaganda Minister instead of Goebbels he would have won the war without firing a shot!!
E-mail: reidgilbert@hotmail.com
Name: Gilbert Reid
From: B.C. Canada.
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Jul 08, 2008 - 05:29 -
When I had my interview at the London Cannon Street office, Sir John Kinlock asked me....Do you ride? I had to stop and think for a minute about what he was referring to but I have to say Gilbert that I found your golf clubs hanging on the back of the engineer's office door on the Polynesia and for all these years, I've been wondering which dreamer brought those on board a container ship. Needless to say, the clubs stayed in the bag and I never did get to go riding......not on a horse anyway.
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Jul 08, 2008 - 06:29 -
I noticed the name Miles Dodd shows up in the Entries Page. I may be wrong, but was Miles able to speak Japanese with a scouse accent. I may have been in a haze of Kirin Beer when I heard that, who knows.
E-mail: mtidey@bigpond.com
Name: Dont know,after the brain operation all is hazy.
From: Brisbane,the garden city.
http://
Jul 08, 2008 - 20:40 -
Wonderful 'Joining' stories.I'll add mine if I may.I'm not the bloke who joined with the racing bike. With me, to quote the old poem, the 'home firms had shown a marked disinclination to... hire me'. At age 26 with, a mates certificate and nearly ten years sea faring under my belt in 1955 I failed the 'Pool' eye sight test when the sight eventually faded from my right eye( chipping without goggles plus a childhood accident) . After trying 26 shipping companies-all refusals- I went along to 'Messrs Butterfield and Swire'. I was in luck . A C Swire ( Sir Adrian as he later became) was running the shop that day . I told him my dismal story and after about thirty seconds reflection he said 'There was another one eyed sailor from Norfolk as I remember it. Well take you' and take me they did.It certainly rescued me from the alternative which had become a 'makee learn' article clerk's berth in the local solicitors office. (Sorry no golf clubs, bike ,or polo pony and no regrets.
E-mail: jjamesaldiss@iprimus'com'au
Name: Ben -aka James Aldiss
From: Ma's
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Jul 09, 2008 - 04:39 -
I well remember Jimmy Keats reflecting on 'the cost of living' in Hong Kong being equivalent to 'four and sixpence' a bottle at the time of his interview.
E-mail: jack.lyemun@btinternet.com
Name: Jack Higgs
From: £18/bottle land
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Jul 09, 2008 - 10:32 -
Ben,
Sitting here reading the foregoing messages and among the pics on the wall in front of me is one taken on "Taiyuan" in 1955, reading from left to right there is me,Dickie Frappell, Yorke Campbell, yourself and Michael Keyes! Perhaps we shouldn't look back?
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Jul 09, 2008 - 22:39 -
Ancient Mariner re your Taiyuan photograph you're looking back at least fifty four years.Perhaps one shouldn't look back but the visibility tends to be clearer astern.Cheers
E-mail: jamesaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: James aka Ben Aldiss
From: Ma's
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Jul 10, 2008 - 06:23 -
Hello Ben,
I.m sorry to say that there's a typo or two in the name of your web page. In one you've put three dots and the latest is a "b" before "www".
Perhaps our moderator could correct them?
E-mail:
Name: Terry Connell
From:
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Darn pigs never could spell. Fixed now though - MAJB
Jul 10, 2008 - 17:50 -
Re typo stricken web address-thanks Terry and our computer wiz- for picking this up. my typing is more touch than type now adays.
I have incidentally a new title (available at Amazon.com;Amazon.co.uk; Lulu.com and Google) on the market ' Nukunevu -atoll of death'( a departure from the bed room) and another novel which should be available in October 'Captain Scrotie and the Wydinyer Film Studios'.Cheers and thanks all round.
.
E-mail: jamesaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: Ben aka james aldiss
From: Ma's
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Jul 12, 2008 - 06:55 -
Brief note to BA and MB - I have NOT retired. Tried twice to kick the bucket but missed each time. Latest task is to talk to a few Swire young gentlemen about Japan (Mike - I will give them a couple of words in Scousrish). It's great to be back in (tentative) touch - not a little nostalgic.
E-mail: milesdodd@hotmail.com
Name: Miles Dodd
From: cambridge (england)
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We've come across this early recruitment poster...

Jul 12, 2008 - 22:56 -
Well done MAJB, and not a ship in sight. "Chota" Campbell would have been proud of you !!!
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Jul 13, 2008 - 09:36 -
I am trying to contact anybody who remembers Capt.Gordon 'Bluey' Bennett who died in 1976 in Sydney. I am his cousin seeking to research the events of his tragic, short life. Both Gordon & his father were master mariners with CNCo. His father, James William Bennett, joined the company in 1927 & was quickly involved in a piracy attack in the China Sea. He married my aunt in Hong Kong in 1928 & Gordon was born in Shanghai in 1931, his mother dying eleven days later.
His early years were spent with grandparents in England but his father enrolled him in the China Inland Missions School at Chefoo in 1937.
When war with Japs threatened in 1941, his father managed to rescue him on mv Anshun & sailed for Australia. On reaching Manila together with mv Anhui, they were attacted by Jap planes & James Bennett was killed (Gordon was just 11-you can imagine his terror). It was decided that Gordon should be put ashore in care of Red Cross with other passengers from the Anshui. All European civilians were rounded up by Japs & interned in Santo Tomas Internment Camp, where life must have been a terrible struggle for a youngster on his own. They were liberated in 1945 & Gordon went to Sydney to his step-mother.When he was 16 he was brought to England & enrolled on H.M.S.Conway for two years. Cadet training followed with H.Holt&Co Line & he joined CNCo in 1953 as Second Mate, gaining his Master's Certificate in 1959.
Gordon commanded many ships in next few years but his health failed & he was retired on health grounds in 1967. He had a heart attack in 1978 & died in Sydney that December.
I would be pleased to hear from anybody who perhpa sailed with Gordon or can tell about his experiences with CNCo.
E-mail: eskipsey@yahoo.co.uk
Name: Eric Skipsey
From: Newcastle
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That's quite a story, Eric, and thanks for posting. Hopefully you'll get some feedback here. Are you in touch with Mark Welch in Australia, who must be a nephew of yours? He mentions your cousin in a post in this Ships Log in 2002 - MAJB
Jul 19, 2008 - 16:24 -
Proud All Black Supporter, we thank you for the ex-CC coach who guided us to victory over the Springboks (13-9)
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Jul 21, 2008 - 00:20 -
AB supporter, Will 'Dingo' Deans guide the Robbieallabys to victory over your beloved team next Saturday?? As long as we keep Daniel Carter away from the goal posts. Pity you have lost so many to the Northern hemisphere clubs.
E-mail: wmgibson@bigpond.com
Name: Warwick
From: Oz
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Jul 25, 2008 - 15:32 -
Well Alistair and Warwick the official mourning period is over after our loss to the Springboks. Now the countdown has begun to the BIG Game between Graham's Gentle Giants and Dingo Deans Demonds!!?! I understand that many of my fellow Cantabrians are doing the unthinkable and actually supporting the Robbieallabies. However, I must stay true to my beloved All Blacks and will be in front of the T.V. with the Silver Fern Flag on the wall and with our new Grandaughter dressed in her A. B's outfit cheering them on.
E-mail:
Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Aotearoa
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Jul 26, 2008 - 10:02 -
I thought that I had better pen these few lines before our Australian Contingent awoke from their celebratory Gin infused sleep following the Robbieallabies win over the revered All Blacks to give me heaps. The Wallabys were by far the more aggresive team and deservered their win. If the All Blacks do not play better at Eden Park next Saturday I may have to consider crossing the ditch.
E-mail:
Name: Still a Proud All Black Supporter
From: Aotearoa
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Jul 26, 2008 - 19:24 -
Darrell, I wouldn't consider crossing the ditch yet, unless it is to consume your two cartons of the glorious XXXX, ( which are still ready for you) as there are still plenty of opportunites for Graham Henry to resurect your glorious All Blacks, we still made too many errors.
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby
From:
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Jul 29, 2008 - 00:43 -
Come on over Darrel and we'll sink a few glasses of real beer not that xxxx stuff that is only drunk north of the border.We could even talk about real football "the ball with no sides " or even aussie rules,now thereis an offer for you!!!!!
Are you going up to Auckland for the replay or should I say remassacre
E-mail: Bowral
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Talking of odd-shaped balls reminds me of sporting activities in the Philippines. I don't know why I have never thought to mention this before, but those of you who might remember the New Bangkok Bar in M.H.Del Pilar, Manila, will be delighted to know that superstar British megamanageress Sylvia Rushbrooke has moved on to quite different things back in Old Blighty. She founded and owns Le QuecumBar in Battersea, London, which is already one of the finest jazz establishments to be found anywhere. Do drop by for a drink or a meal and show her that CNCo lives! Maybe she'll even get some San Mig in. Just don't ask where you pay the bar fine... :)

The web-brat apologises for this picture of M.H. Del Pilar in daylight. I realise that it will be unrecognisable to most in such conditions - MAJB
Jul 31, 2008 - 05:10 -
Hi Bob, didn't know that you had Speights Beer or Canterbury Draught in New South Wales!! I am even having to put up with Fosters Lager here in U.K. Being still over here I will not be going up to Auckland for the great replay/remassacre/revival but will be in front of the T.V. again hoping that it will be the latter. One day we will come over to your side of the Ditch and we can have a few New Ales whilst discussing the various football codes. They tell me it is between £66 and £100 to go to a match here so I won't be going to the new Emirates Stadium to watch The Arsenal. Then I could go north to help Alistair demolish my 2 cases of XXXX and compare the difference. Had lunch yesterday with Trevor Kay Russel, his wife and Dudley Groves at a pub on the banks of the Wey Canal which was a fun time. Trust you are still keeping in good health? Best regards.
E-mail:
Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Aotearoa
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Jul 31, 2008 - 21:51 -
The Interview.
Sir John conducted an interview with the undersigned in 1970.
While touring the fleet by way of photographs on the walls, observations related to previous owners of the vessels in question were met with "Of course we have an extensive building programme in place now".
No racing bycicles as I mentioned my non existant penchant for scale model flying aircarft to which Sir John advised of the 'wonderfull' club in Hong Kong that I would surely enjoy.
Midway through the chat a conversation with Hong Kong during which the fate of an ex floating staff member who had just been discharged from Dreadnaught Hospital and returned to Scotland with two attendants "A mental and physical wreck". When the telephone was cradled following commiserations for the wife and two kids, Sir John looked pointedly and asked "Do you drink" .
"I'm not sure if I do any more" was a response that should have, but didn't, end chances of a career in the east.
But you will turn up for your watch won't you. (Not necessarily a question)
And what type of vessels have you served on recently - Reefers - Good you'll fit right into our Tasmanian Apple trade.
Can't help but smile, a very pleasant gentleman though and as neither participant was overly burdened with any perceived need to rely strictly on factual statements would not like to be considered a stone thrower.
E-mail: ancath@charter.net
Name: Andrew King.
From: Kennewick, Washington State, USA.
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Aug 03, 2008 - 05:37 -
Proud All Black Supporter, well 24 hours ago, Graham and Ritchie showed Robbie and Stirling that they are now on the comeback trail - well done. No doubt, by your silence, you are still recovering from the celebrations with Fosters, that is unless (with anticipation and foresight) you organised an air freight consignment of the Canterbury Brew. Bob will by now have consoled himself with Tooheys new, as I have with XXXX.
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
http://
Aug 04, 2008 - 04:27 -
May we mere mortals of the northern hemisphere take it that NZ beat Australia at some sporting event?
Am applying to the TV licensing people for a refund as from Friday when our screens will no doubt be filled with rubbish from Beijing for several weeks. I am old enough to remember when the Olympics were for sports men/women, not professional entertainers sponging off public funds! (No wonder my grandchildren call me "Grumpy").
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Aug 04, 2008 - 20:12 -
Good morning Grumpy No.1, I must be Grumpy No.2 - to me there is nothing more boring than watching the individual sports such as swimming etc. At least with greyhound and horse racing a bookie makes it interesting , and they are probably more drug free today! Seem to remember on the old "Hupeh" counting the number of cockroaches, caught in ones cabin overnight, in an empty 50 State Express 555 cigarette tin (in which a hole was put in the lid) with some sweet coffee in the bottom, provided a bit of amusement. Not exactly an Olympic sport but then neither the gov't nor CNCo provide any funds or stadiums etc. Yes the All Blacks did win by a country mile !!!
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Aug 06, 2008 - 18:16 -
I have been adviseed that Mike Lewis passed away recently in France. Sadly I never met Mike but I'm sure that many will know him since he apparently was with Swires for most of his career.
E-mail: mike.okeeffe@yahoo.com.au
Name: Mike O'Keeffe
From: Sydney
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Aug 07, 2008 - 04:53 -
Afraid the news about Mike Lewis is correct, he died last Saturday. We did our 2nd.Mate's together at Edward vii in 1955, quite a surprise when I met him at the Bungalow some months later. Another one fallen off the perch a little too soon!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Aug 15, 2008 - 17:38 -
Being not in the least bit interested in the world wide government sponsored political "sports" currently taking place in China I have recently finished re-reading "The Wild Swans" and "Mao" by Jung Chan, a history of China from 1909 to 1976. The stories of how difficult life in China (told to me by CNCo crew members during the early '60's) were hard to believe even in those days, however it is apparent that only part of the truth was told, as only now can we understand the full nature of events then occurring.
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Aug 19, 2008 - 04:34 -
Mount Isa made the news here yesterday, something the Mayor said about it being the place for facially challenged women to go in order to get a man! Does that mean ugly in English?
This morning's news is even more ludicrous, the cost of winning a gold medal for Team GB, (no Irish?), is currently £7,000,000-. EACH. This the country that can't afford the best cancer treatment and also sends it's troops into action ill-equipped, the govt. does of course apologise after each one is killed!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Aug 20, 2008 - 16:28 -
Darrell, I hope you are O.K. now after the loss of the Silver Ferns 3 weeks ago (drown sorrows) and the two good victories by the All Blacks (celebrate). It appears your powers of recovery are somewhat diminished since the "Anking" days, or perhaps it was the Fosters which is known to kill a brown dog, - at least it is chilled !! Maurice please don't tell the world how much a gold medal costs - our b***** gov't will be stupid enough to spend more just on the priciple that it's what you spend that counts - never mind the the taxpayer.
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Name: Wallaby supporter
From: XXXX Land - where we wake up healthy
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Aug 25, 2008 - 07:01 -
In two days time this site celebrates it's
10th anniversary on the net I think plaudits are in order for our Webmaster.
Job well done Mark.
E-mail: georgelatham@tadaust.org.au
Name: george latham
From: Port Philip Bay OZ
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Aug 27, 2008 - 04:41 -
According to George Latham today is the tenth anniversary of the SOFA site, I shall celebrate this evening but where do I send the bill, to Mark or Stu?
Well done Mark, hope all is well.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Well, thank you, George and Maurice; kind of you to notice. Ten years, eh... and we're still here, if with less hair. I do enjoy the "work", have no fear, as maintaining this site keeps me in touch with chaps with whom I would probably have lost touch, otherwise. Mind you, the seeming lack of enthusiasm for our monthly Pinup (no comments, EVER) leads me to believe that you've all gone gay or are simply past it. Surely not :) Oh, and Maurice... send the bill to Stu. I can't count - MAJB
Aug 27, 2008 - 12:31 -
To Bob Steer
Bob,
Congratulations on the celebrations today in your quiet backwater
Cheers
Neil
E-mail: tomm47e@aim.com
Name: Neil Morris
From: Doha , Qatar
http://
Aug 27, 2008 - 15:04 -
Dear fellow members, I have received the following e-mail from a Canadian lady called Ruth Millar who is looking for information. Is there anyone out there who can help her?
Her e-mail address is: ruth.millar@sasktel.net
Her e-mail is as follows:
I am a Canadian author writing a book about George Findlay Andrew, who was associated with the British firm Butterfield & Swire in China for a long time. If your association has any connection with that firm, perhaps someone could tell me about "Taikoo House", in Chungking, where Andrew was based in World War II. He was with the SOE, but his cover job was with the Embassy. I have his letters, and there are occasional references to Taikoo House. Yours was the only website that came up when I googled "Taikoo House" Chungking. Hope someone can help!
Ruth W. Millar
Author, Saskatchewan Heroes & Rogues (2004)
Co-author, Saskatoon: A History in Photographs, 2006.
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Aug 28, 2008 - 05:41 -
Congratulations Mark on the 10th Anniversary of this wonderful website. I only learnt of it some 18 months ago but in that time I have made contact with many of the illustrious band of good seamen and hard working engineers that I had the priviledge of knowing some 40 years ago. Also to learn of the fate of others by gradually going back through the archives. A marveleous trail of history which yourself, Ben or some other with litery talent could weave into a semi-fictional novel. Good luck for the next 10 years.
E-mail:
Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Aotearoa but presently temporarily in exile in U.K.
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Sep 01, 2008 - 10:23 -
Fellow members, I have just received an e-mail from Don Ramsey asking after Ron Nettleship as follows:-
Dear Stu,
Is Ron Nettleship still alive & kicking? I have a contact in Tasmania
who would like to know!!
Regards...Don
If anyone has a contact e-mail etc for Ron, please drop Don Ramsey a message at don.ramsey@eim.ae
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Sep 02, 2008 - 04:45 -
I think DCR must mean KEN Nettleship? Which case Mike O'Keefe would know.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From: Very wet & windy Bexhill!
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Sep 02, 2008 - 23:19 -
Neil Morris....Isn't it nice to receive a word or two from old shipmates??But from Doha,surely you are not still working or perhaps retired there???
When you retire Neil always go to the source,I myself have retired and the cool climate grapes are close by so I can abide by the Doctors advice,a glass a day is good for you and therefore I say two glasses is that much more better for you!!!
I had a disturbed night last night reliving our times in Dubai,the only thing I regret is not buying that African parrot!!What did we do with that money?can you recall?
Like THE MOST ANCIENT ONE I like to celebrate with other peoples money however I will carry on in the hope that contributions will be forthcoming,but then with that last result perhaps I had better give up any celebrations at all.
Very nice to hear from you Neil,in Doha I just can"t imagine it.
Cheers,Bob
E-mail: bobjen@bigpond.net.au
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Sep 03, 2008 - 06:53 -
Bob, Noticed your message to Neil Morris. Have no fear neil and heather have a cottage a few miles down the road from ours. Diane and I are looking forward to Neil & heathers return in a couple of weeks for Pork, Keo (local beer) and R n R. SOFA is spreading her wings!!
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From: Cyprus
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Sep 04, 2008 - 17:13 -
There is something that I have been asking for many years, and that is, if anyone can remember the story about the sparks who, dived into the HK harbour off a B&S ship to save a junior engineer who was supposed to have fallen over the side?
This was the first story I heard when I arrived at the Bungalow in 1955!
But thats all that was known! Nobody had any further knowledge about the details of the incident!
Anybody know anything about this event?
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
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Sep 04, 2008 - 18:18 -
HELLO EVERYBODY......This is Jimmy (davey) Crockett here! I am happy to be back among the B&S crowd at last! In the past years I got the inkling that there was something going on, and I tried many times to contact former mariners of CNCo., so you can imagine my shock & delight when I tapped the internet and searched for the Bungalow. I was so excited I sent a message immediately, which was printed before I had even joined the SMA.
The first thing I want to do is tell everyone about the story of the famous Sparks who dived into the harbour. Like I said, I heard the story in the Bungalow in 1955, the year that the first Chinese Sparkies joined B&S!
Thirty years later in 1985 I was a Marine Surveyor and living in the Mariners Club, and I went into the lounge bar for a pot of tea, and sitting at the next table, also having a cup of tea, was an elderly gentleman well dressed like myself, and we nodded to each other. Since we were the only pair in the lounge we started to chat, and then he asked me what had brought me out here? And I replied that I was a former B&S man. And he replied, that he too was with B&S in the fifties, and suddenly we were chatting away like great pals! I told him I was on deck, and he instantly, grabbed my attention when he said that he was a Sparks! I stared at him in a kind of awe! I couldn't believe my luck. Did this guy have the answer to the mystery of the Sparks & the junior engineer? I couldn't wait any longer! I asked, did you ever hear about the Sparks who dived into the harbour....and before I could get it all out, he was chuckling and stopped me in mid sentence! "That was me!" he said! When my voice returned, I was staring at him stunned! I told him that it had been thirty years ago that I had first heard of the incident and...here was the living legend sitting at the next table to me!
We were both living in the Club so we arranged to eat dinner that evening and he would tell me what had happened on that eventful day! I was totally elated, looking forward to our meeting that evening!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
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Sep 05, 2008 - 07:47 -
Hello Mark,
Sorry for sounding confusing, but what I meant to say (in the first post) was that I didn't know the story in 1955!
But thirty years later, I met the chap in person (In the second post)and got the story straight from the horses mouth.....aye think?
But here's the laugh...(again)
He said to me, "Whats yer name?" and I said Jimmy Crockett bit everyone calls me Davey! And he had a good little laugh. Then he said to me, "My name is Donald McDonald, but everybody calls me Ronald! I just couldn't believe it! Here we go again! First it was Captain Kidd & Davey Crockett...and now it was Davey Crockett & Ronald McDonald! I replied as casually as I could, "Well Donald, I think that we are going to have a strange and interesting friendship.
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
http:// http://blog.360.yahoo.com/jamesesq http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesesq/
Sep 05, 2008 - 09:47 -
Newcastle Reunion. I plan to arrive at Newcastle station around 1436 on 19th if anyone wishes to share transport to the hotel.
PS. I don't think Crockett has changed much since 1955 by the sound of it!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From: Wet but less windy Bexhill!
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Sep 05, 2008 - 14:06 -
I remember last meeting Jimmy Keats in 1983, I was surveying at the time and he used to visit me in my office, just for a chat. We sailed together on Log Ships and like B&S men we kept in touch. He was looking fine and keeping fit, and I remember he had a thing about his feet, and he always turned up to see me wearing his slippers. I was always thankful to Jimmy for doing me a great favour.
One time he was master of a log carrier and was anchored off Weston, in Borneo, and he needed a Mate. At that time I was languishing idylly, and enjoying the good life on the Fatshan, and smoking like a chimney, and someone from the Guild, who was (by the way) after my job rushed aboard my ship and told me the story about Jimmy being the only westerner on his ship and needed a Mate with Logging experience. I dunno!, I said to this guy, OK you've got my job, and in no time I was flying to Kota Kinibalu to join Jimmy. But what happened was that when I finally got to the ship I had run out of cigarettes, Jimmy was happy to see me, then he broke the bad news! There were no cigarettes on the ship! And we were going to West Sumatra to load a full cargo of logs for Japan! What could I say? The only reason I had taken the job was because Jimmy was an old B&S pal of mine....if it had been anyone else, I would have said "Forget it!"
Like I said, I was always thankful to Jimmy for doing me a great favour. he cured me of the Smoking habit! Forever!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
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Sep 05, 2008 - 14:27 -
My Word....Ancient Mariner... Your Quote: (Afraid the news about Mike Lewis is correct, he died last Saturday. We did our 2nd.Mate's together at Edward vii in 1955, quite a surprise when I met him at the Bungalow some months later.)
I sailed with Mike when we were apprentices, and I got a surprise when I joined the Chentu and found him to be the 2nd mate! I got my 2nd Mates in 1955 also at Teddy's, but I joined Royal Mail Lines for about six months, then signed up with B&S later. Mike and me were great pals, I am sorry I didn't find the SMA before, I have missed out having a chat with some of my good chums.
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
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Sep 05, 2008 - 17:36 -
May 09, 2008 - 04:02 -
Looks like an SMA member has made the front page. No,it's not on the "Americas most Wanted" list but the May issue of the MNAOA's "TELEGRAPH".
What a great adventure, I hope you turned into a short story!
E-mail: james_m_crockett@yahoo.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
http://
Sep 05, 2008 - 19:00 -
Do I see a Mediterannean branch of Swire Mariners opening on the isle of Cyprus? There is a qourum with Neil as the Graham of the group and John doing a Stu.He is well qualified for when I joined a supply boat in Indonesia and John offered me a drink, a call went down the alleyway and within minutes a steward appeared with a silver tray covered with a linen napkin,2 glasses,ice and lemon,Schweppes tonic and the bottle of Gordons!!!Way to go.I am sure the ability of Neil to provide the comforts of life are well known so I do propose them for the inaugrational team of Mariners-Cyprus.
The first task will be to organise Cathay to fly into Larnaka and the rest will follow.
When is the first "gathering "
E-mail:
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Sep 07, 2008 - 06:47 -
James, (Crockett that is ), if you joined Royal Mail from Teddy's you must have fallen for the sales talk from one of the lecturers. I recall that there were two actively recruiting for their old companies, one Royal Mail and the other P & O, but Chota Campbell had the better gift of the gab!
Don't want to worry anyone but my wife has just said "How about a week in Cyprus to get away from this bloody weather?"
For you lucky people not living in Brown's own country we are just about awash, lacking in sunshine and sinking in an abyss of inflation! Did you know that in ten years of Labour Govt. they have passed more than one crminal law per day! That's going some even for Comrade Stalin!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.ukaa
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Sep 07, 2008 - 17:33 -
Joining Royal Mail Lines!....
"The greatest plans of mice and men gang aft aglae"
When I was studying at Teddy's, I was staying in the Seamark Merchant Navy Club in the Minories, just up from Tower Hill. It so happened that there was a tradition in the Club, that when you passed your 2nd. Mates ticket, it was customary to Go straight from Dock Street to the offices of Cunard Line in St Marys Axe and ask for a job! Of course you never got a job, but then it was a cheeky and fun thing to do! So off I went totally gleeful with the little bit of white paper, 'my ticket!' showing from my Blazer pocket...But! I couldn't find their office! Then I spotted, Royal Mail Lines! Wonderful, I thought, they are more prestigious than Cunard!
So in I went. Wait! the secretary said and I took a seat! You can go in now, a voice said, I looked at the lady in utter shock. I was supposed to get the old, "We're busy come back next week!" I got up and followed her into the inner sanctum. Something was going wrong! I am shaking hands with the Marine Super, and I am still smiling! So you want to join our company?
I can't believe it! I said, "Yes!"... I lied!
He nodded at my white piece of paper showing in my Blazer pocket and he said,
"I remember the day I got my first one!"
Holy cr@p the guy is taking a trip down memory lane! I am sunk! Then along the way he asks me, "When can you start?"
I want to jump out of the window, but we are on the 2nd floor! "Next Friday," I said!
I wanted to slap myself in the face. I should have been on my way back to the Club to get drunk! Then I got a letter of appointment, and a 'See you on Friday'!
Up to this moment I have never told a living soul about this catastrophic event. And what followed, amazingly turned out to be one of the most memorable adventures in my life! and I even learned how to put on a bit of swank! And I joined the Safari Club in Trafalgar square, and had lunch with Sterling Moss and also with the famous songstress Petula Clarke as my guests aboard the RMS Highland Chieftain.
My next interview for a job after that was with the charming rogue Chotta Cambell, and when I told him I was from Royal Mail Lines, he said to me that being recruited by B&S was a great step up the ladder, and to sell my ski boots and don't forget my golf clubs! But this sweet little man had pull! He gave me a flight to Colombo with a week stopover then on to Singapore with two nights R&R staying in Raffles.
Arriving at the Bungalow at Taikoo was another reward for being good....followed by a monumental three years with B&S, and after that things just kept getting better!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
http://
Sep 08, 2008 - 01:52 -
Hello Chris....Robert & Hambone...and David Cooper, Clive & Peter
This is James (Davey) Crockett....I just managed to find the SMA and signed up, after searching for many years!
I live in HK too and since we are now seven of us, (counting DC in Japan! plus Clive & Peter) maybe we could have a lunch some day, and have 'crack' about the old days in B& S. i.e I think David comes to HK once in a while!
I just read in the SMA chat that there is one SMA Chapter starting up in Cyprus! What a cheek? Before us?
But we still have Jimmy's Kitchen! Maybe we could all have a meeting, get drunk and go round to the CNCo. office in Quary Bay and ask for our jobs back? That would delight our present acting Marine Super, Doris Luk! We have only exchanged emails so far, but I did hint that we might meet sometime, I think she would jump at the chance of joining us in a SMA meeting...remember, I saw her first! OK?
Thon rascal Bundy is in Singapore, so we'd better include him too!
Tak Tent...James
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: HongKong
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Sep 08, 2008 - 05:36 -
No wonder "Davey" Crockett didn't get a job with Cunard......you were looking in the wrong street for Cunard house. It wasn't in St Marys Axe........it was in Leadenhall Street but I think the building has been pulled down now and replaced by something in glass.
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe (Centre of the known world)
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Sep 08, 2008 - 13:22 -
Bob,
Good to hear from you - I still tremble at the thought of some of our escapades, I wonder if the guitarist ever got the popcorn out of his amplifier? Money - can't remember, probably spent it with Bryan Bell the next month! I hadn't remembered we'd got to the talking to a parrot stage though.
Not sure who did the picture of the pub in Polis, but at least strays from Sofa will recognise the landmark.
The Bank manager reckons the 5 year plan has about 10 years to run, something to do with the continued champagne outlook I think. Still slogging in Doha, still quite enjoying it, so will plod on a bit longer.
Keep well, John and I will do our best to keep the Flag flying
Cheers,
Neil
E-mail: tomm47e@aim.com
Name: Neil Morris
From: Doha
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Sep 08, 2008 - 17:34 -
Yes Stu you're right, Leadenhall st. Some great pubs around that area. Does anyone remember the Lloyds Club just off Aldgate High St?(lunch time only!), That was, of course members only, and they put on a superb lunch, it was run and managed by Mabel a darling lady around thirty going on fifty! and the place closed around 5.30 pm. every day.
Just how we Seamark deck hands got membership in this exclusive club is another story! But with a brand new 2nd Mates ticket, we ruled the world!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From:
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Sep 08, 2008 - 20:06 -
"Esse Quam Videri"------Anybody know where I can get a CNCo emblem (Badge?)--- The reason being, that I met an old CNCo Tar in Singapore one time who told me that I wasn't a real CNCo man, till I had "Esse Quam Videri" Tattood on my erse! I asked what does "Bessy's Quim Isready" mean anyway?
He shouted, its "Esse Quam Videri" ....You Ignorant Git!... I asked him, is that a literal translation, or did you he just make it up?
I wouldn't like a blazer with that on it! I told him.
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: New Territories
http://
Never say that the SMA doesn't look after its members, even if they do talk a lot :)
Go here, Jimmy. I have put a little page together for you (and anyone else) with four CNCo emblems, one of which will probably do nicely as a little tattoo somewhere personal. Just right click on any of the logos to save the image.
"Esse Quam Videri"? I always thought it was the literal translation of the words of the captain of "Coral Princess" on the first ever Japanese cruise down to Saipan and Guam, where as he approached the anchorage at Saipan he exclaimed "Is this Guam I see?" I may be wrong, of course - MAJB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esse_quam_videri
Sep 09, 2008 - 15:09 -
Jimmy, If you are seeing Doris Luk then
with a five dollar bill (USD) you can purchase a CNCo cap with the correct CNCo logo embroidered on the front.
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From: Cyprus
http://
Sep 10, 2008 - 09:15 -
I always thought the correct translation of "Esse Quam Videri" was "Who is buying my next gin?"
US$5-. for a baseball cap! That's expensive John! I'll stick with my black cap with an old Bo's'uns cap badge. I thought I somewhere had a CNCo Officer's cap badge but I think it must have been thrown out in one of those "tidying up days"!
Back to playing golf after my little op., but wow, only just managed to stay under 100 for the round. If this doesn't improve I shall give up golf and switch to lawn bowls.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From: Sunny Bexhill!!!!
http://
Sep 10, 2008 - 11:44 -
Thanks a lot for that information, I checked the sites and I guess I will get myself some of the paraphernalia! I am still a bit stunned at finding SMA....hence all the chatter! I am meeting Robert Herman to-morrow and we are having lunch at Jaffas! curry house in Yuen Long! My first SMA meeting! Cheers!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: Davey Crockett
From: Wong Nai Tun, NT.
http://
Sep 10, 2008 - 14:57 -
Maurice, 'cos the new Uniforms were initially on the house, it was decidied to recoup by selling the caps. Naturally not too many have been purchased. My store last trip was overflowing with expensive caps. I got some better ones from JS&S Sydney for free after commenting that I had not even had an Xmas card from them during my 38 years with Swires. Hope the op was nothing serious and not caused by my Sister!! Join Gullivers Bowls club where my Grandfather was a founder member. You may even get a discount if you mention Percy Webber. Pleased the sun is shining in Bexhill. It is constant here and I am starting to wonder what clouds are, let alone rain.
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From: Sunny Cyprus
http://

Go here to see grass actually growing at Gullivers, Bexhill!
Sep 11, 2008 - 00:06 -
Just looked at the Bexhill tourist photo's, what no surf, the beach looks as if it has no sand - only pebbles the size of cricket balls, and the rain is pouring down, and hardly anyone on the beach, A great place for a holiday ? No wonder you have to go to the pub Ancient One !
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land, where there is surf and sand as well !
http://
Sep 11, 2008 - 03:24 -
Not sure about all the CNCo.emblems etc.(except the distinctive match box) but I do remember I sold my HK cap badge down in Brisbane to an Aussie for his cap badge plus a case of beer!! Seems HK cap badges were larger with more gold leaf.
E-mail: reidgilbert@hotmail.com
Name: Gilbert Reid
From: Canada.
http://
Sep 11, 2008 - 07:37 -
You should see Bexhill in winter athigh water when the seas send the beach pebbles across the road! Very dicy walking along the promenade at 1700 towards the pub!
For those not aware of the tremendous battle over Gullivers Bowling green, it is the members who want to sell, make a packet and have a new green built for free by developers, the geriactric residents are opposing! I'm surprised that this hasn't made world news ahead of the old election going on in the US of A!
I'll mention your Grandfather's name John if you'll promise I won't get lynched.
Would you believe that someone is selling caps over here with the emblem "Ancient Mariner" on the front!!!!!!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Sep 12, 2008 - 07:03 -
Me and Robert Heman, had a four hour lunch with all the chat and it was a grand time and amazing just how close our paths had crossed in all the years we have been in HK. I found out that Doris Lik is the organizer of the HK chapter of the SMA which is great news, and I have asked her if I can get some of her flashy CNCO. caps!
You can believe this if you like but one of my two daughters is an operations manager of a famous Fashion House in HK and I showed her the CNCo. cap badges and she said, "I want one!" So in HK speak, that means I will be getting six caps immediately! another for my other daughter and the rest for the other women in my life! Like my secretary, my maid, my ex, and of course myself. Did I hear that somebody had a bag of CNCo. caps?
By the way I am slowly getting through reading all of the entries in the forum, and I keep thinking that I'd better reply, to this one and that one right back to 1998! But I realize I will never catch up! So I'd like to say Hello to everyone, and start off from here! Since the first day I joind B&S, and thereafter, I have enjoyed a fantastic and full life and I am still going strong! My latest unbelieveable performance is that last year at the age of 73, I was asked by RTHK to sign a contract as an actor on their feature education movie series. You all know that I am not a show-off, but I told them what the heck? .....where do I sign!?
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: Davey Crockett
From: NT
http://
Sep 15, 2008 - 16:17 -
The "Far East" MN cap badge had more gold leaves outside the anchor than the standard badge. Why the difference and what the significance is I don't know. Does any one know?
Photos please, Mark.
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
http://
Sep 16, 2008 - 04:14 -
I always knew the badge with the wider laurels as the "Bombay Cap Badge". I think it was just to make it look more like an R.N. badge.
Our files of useless information must be bulging!!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Well, at least the M.N. badge did not include the R.N. option of the fouled killick to confuse us further! Incidentally, when I was at Cunard and we looked at reworking the company logo at one point, I remember talk of the laurel leaf surround around the Cunard lion and crown - which is similar to that on the Bombay badge - being indicative of a Queen's Warrant for carrying the mail transatlantic. Can't find any reference to this offhand, but maybe one of our more pedantic members will have the time to do some research and add to Ye Mine Of Useless But Interesting Information - MAJB
Sep 17, 2008 - 03:41 -
I always knew the badge with the wider laurels as the "Bombay Cap Badge". I think it was just to make it look more like an R.N. badge. (Ancient Mariner)-----I actually bought my cap (Bombay) badge in the Missions to Seamen shop in Bombay, in 1951.
In the BUI, the story was that officers of the well known Burma Oil Co. were coming back to the UK with these spiffing new cap badges, (made-in-India) and the UK Merchant Navy men decided that they looked better then the old Board of Trade issue....then everybody wanted one! Like some shipping companies altered their uniform sleeve rank strip from the Diamond to the ring of the RN
I believe there was a prestegeous shipping line that scrapped the sleeve gold braid altogether and all it's deck officers wore epaulettes instead. Like the Scotsman, an' his kilt. Ye can never tell the measure of rank he's got by the size of the badge on his Tamoshanter!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: jockmacrock
From: NT
http://
Sep 17, 2008 - 04:00 -
More on Badges of rank. Ben Line was one of those companies that used the "R.N." ring as opposed to the diamond on eppaulettes and sleeves. I understand that the ring was bestowed upon those companies that lost a great number of ships during WW2. P & O was the company that dropped the rank on sleeves and went for eppaulettes even on their reefer jackets.
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley
From: Sunny Cyprus
http://
Sep 17, 2008 - 12:01 -
More for the files on livery.
In his history of CPA,"Beyond Lion Rock", Gavin Young refers to the PR folk adding the Taikoo flag to the aircraft "as it has always advertised CNCo on the funnels of Swire ships". There's a prize of stale beer to the person who comes up with the date the flags were added to funnels.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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It was probably your doing, Maurice, as it was in the 60's, although given that I was but a wee lad at the time I cannot personally pin it down more accurately than that, so probably don't even merit the stale beer. Others may have a date and ship, perhaps; but tell me, was it done because the tall, black upright CNCo funnels were becoming nicknamed "Hong Kong Dustbins"? - MAJB
Sep 18, 2008 - 05:36 -
Mark,
Right decade! Too many plain black funnels I think. A few livery changes were made in those days, white mast houses became mast colour, the white band around the hull disappeared etc. but those were in the interest off labour-saving. Can't say the same about flags on funnels!
Maurice
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Sep 18, 2008 - 11:49 -
I am surprised that the reason for the flag being painted on the funnel is not widely known! I believe it was done with the idea in mind that when a Taiwanese fighter plane shot up a British Flag ship in the Formosa Straits, the pilot would be able to see which company ship it had fired upon by the flag painted on the funnel! It would make his writing out his attack report quicker and easier when he got home.
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: Davey
From: Alamo
http://
Sep 18, 2008 - 14:58 -
All,
MN Cap Badge, Bombay = Bombe (Fr.), as for the Taikoo on the Funnel I thought that it was something to do with R.I.L.'s Funnel Mark.
Yours aye,
John Kelly
E-mail: john.kelly15@virgin.net
Name: John Kelly
From: Norfolk England
http://
I did read somewhere that Royal Interocean were the first to do it and that CNCo "copied" their lead - MAJB
Sep 19, 2008 - 01:55 -
No! No!-----I know what happened--------I heard about this 'aussie wag' that went into the B&S office and explained to the boys upstairs, that for a small gratuity he would tell the company how to advertise their shipping line all over the Asia, with the application of three pots of paint only! Well it took a 'tiffin', in the HK club, an afternoon debate in the gloucester lounge, and a Hula Hula in the Arizona bar in North Point till closing, before they agreed. So the laughing aussie smiled all the way back King's Cross, and B&S got their flag on the funnel. He actually suggested adding a 'Roo' as a logo on the funnel, but nobody knew what a roo was, so they didn't include one. You see, the simplist explanation, is usually the right one!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: Geppetto
From: Wong Nai Tun, NT.
http://
Sep 21, 2008 - 03:15 -
..........and I thought that the paint was the left overs from the days when the flag was painted on the ship'a side for identification before going through the Formosa Strait. Taikoo Paints had made too much, the stores ordered too much, an office wallah found it in the stores, and so as not to waste it , decided to slap it on the funnel !!!!!!
E-mail:
Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
http://
Sep 21, 2008 - 04:38 -
I have to admit that I am still in a state of shock! I have been reading the past entries and all the names and photos really stir my memories, that I never could never have imagined would ever be revived again. I feel sorry for taking so long to find SMA, but always inside me was a belief that their was some sort of connection with the old firm still around. Sorry I missed some of my dear old pals, but I did catch some of their photos! There is a wealth of memories for me here, so I try to limit my reading time to a couple of hours a'day. While I remember! The taylor, Nickus Time, remember this funny guy who always insisted that after he delivered your suits and shirts etc...you had to pay him 'neckus time!' Hence his name! Then Ku Cheung the other taylor! and there was 'Rosie' the girl who wanted to wash your clothes, She was really good looking, and (she really washed clothes) I remember that one rascal invited her up to the Bungalow one afternoon, but it wasn't a laundry job he had in mind! Then the guy who would come on board and ask me for a space to sell his stuff, I couldn't believe this guy, he was selling little porcelain elephants about one sq.foot in size! I never saw anybody buy one. This was when I was 2nd. mate on the Yunnan in 1958. In 1993 I was walking through the Ocean Terminal, and I saw a little porcelain elephant in a shop window, and I felt that I'd seen one like it before, so I went in to enquire and look around, and to my utter surprize, after chatting to the elderly lady shop staff, she told me, "Oh that must have been my father!" he went round all the ships selling his elephants!...Now he owned a department store in the OT. Of course I became an instant celebrity and she wanted to give me an elephant, but I declined (She was too kind, and also it was too big for me to carry) and anyway I felt a bit embarrassed, after all I had never bought one of his silly bloody elephants, but I didn't tell her that! Yes! And then there was that beautiful white female who worked in Lane Crawfords. She was stunningly good looking and I went twice to look at her, thus starting the traditional lunch meeting in Lane Crawfords on a Saturday. Up to this day I sometimes go there for a lunch and bring a friend. I drop into Jimmy's Kitchen sometimes also and rekindle that old reminiscence of the old CNCo. days. So glad to be back!
E-mail: james_m_crockett@yahoo.com
Name: jockmacrock
From: NT
http://
Sep 22, 2008 - 17:54 -
A small news entry.Whilst visiting the Uk last month we enjoyed a nice pub lunch in North Norfolk with Miles Dodd who drove up from Cambridge(where it seems he is still working). I am happy to report that despite the passage of time Miles is largely unchanged.The conversation brought back all sorts of memories from former days
E-mail: jamesaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: Ben aka James Aldiss
From: Sara wack
http:// www.sellthepig-and-buymeout.com
Sep 22, 2008 - 23:31 -
-------P & O was the company that dropped the rank on sleeves and went for eppaulettes even on their reefer jackets.
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name: John Madeley -------Does anyone know that P&O dropped sleeve rank on the deck officers only! I heard that the engineers still have the rank designation on their sleeves?
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james
From: NT
http:// http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesesq/
Sep 23, 2008 - 00:11 -
I was looking for a photo in my Flickr photo site, and I was in SMA at the time, but when I clicked on my site it didn't open! Then when I tried my blog, that didn't open either. Whatzup?
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: james_m_crockett
From: NT
http:// http://blog.360.yahoo.com/jamesesq, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesesq, http://blog.360.yahoo.com/james_m_crockett
Jimmy, this Ship's Log is only configured to accept one web site address per entry made, and the "http://" bit is already entered for you. If you look at some of your entries, you'll spot where the problem lies, I think. Just use single addresses, start with "www", and all will be well. Not many of us have multiple addresses like you; in fact, most of us are still winding a handle on the side of the box, I think :) - MAJB
Sep 23, 2008 - 13:15 -
Well! Well! Well!....So there's a http:// at the bottom of the entry! Unquestionably I am at a total loss that I didn't notice this from the very start! I am reminded of the time when I called my 80 year old brother in Scotland and when I said, "Hello!".... he told me it was 0300 hours! ......."OH!" I said apologetically, "I thought it was 1500 hours, I must have applied the 8 hour time difference the wrong way!" He answered, "James, you are getting old, now that I am awake, what day is it?" I told him, August! .....I think I need a handle for the box!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: jamesesq
From: Wong Nai Tun Tsuen
http:// www.flickr.com/photos/jamesesq
Sep 24, 2008 - 14:53 -
Finally arrived home after the weekend in Newcastle and I have to report that the gathering of SMA members there was a complete success. Photos will be added to this web site very soon and a report will be sent to all members.
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: The centre of the known world - High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Sep 27, 2008 - 05:37 -
I think certain late-departed Swire shipping folk would turn over in their respective graves at the suggestion that we followed anything that RIL did!
The short-lived AAE was a marriage of convenience with no love on either side!
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Sep 27, 2008 - 15:33 -
I never knew that?.....Adam And Eve... (AAE)...was a marriage of convenience? Now everybody knows.
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: leung-chai
From: NT
http://
Alistair Thomson has requested that we post this picture of one of his favourite ladies...

It is, of course, a Doxford LB 520mm bore 3 cylinder engine similar to that installed in "Soochow". The web-brat knows nothing of these things, but believes this particular animal to have been a 2,500bhp unit which became known as the "Economical" because of its low fuel consumption of only six tons a day. Perhaps we should build some more - MAJB
Sep 29, 2008 - 11:19 -
I have just received the following e-mail regarding our good friend Brian Owen and it is with great sadness that I have to copy it here on this message page:
Dear Stuart
My father was a stalwart member of SOFA family and so it is with great regret that I am writing to inform you of his passing.
I am not sure how many members he was still in touch with and without any contact list, I thought it easiest to send you out an e-mail for your information and records. Should anyone enquire, he died, at home, peacefully in his sleep on Friday 26th September 2008.
Should you need to contact me for any reason, my e-mail address is Padieowen@googlemail.com.
I would also like this opportunity to say a massive thank you to the SMA for giving him so much fun and pleasure in the latter part of his life.
Finally, as I know he would hate this, I must admit,it was I who created his e-mail address when he first bought a computer and he was always deeply embarrassed by the Captain moniker. However, as he did not know how to open a new account or change this existing one, he was , as they say and much to my amusement, buggered!! Kindest Regards
Patrick Owen (son of)
We have lost a good shipmate and it comes as a complete shock to me since I only spoke to him a few days before the gathering at Newcastle.
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Sep 30, 2008 - 04:17 -
I have just read the sad news of the passing away of Brian Owen. Another shipmate gone to drink G&T's up there with the rest of his old drinking pals. A great character was Brian and always great fun at the SMA functions.
I remember the first time I met Brian in the Gulf when SPO first started and we were lying alongside Inter Continental wharf. Brian was supposed to come out with me for a transfer (I think). I was looking out of the bridge window when I saw this bloke walking down the wharf in full cowboy outfit. Stetson hat, riding boots jackets and pants to match the full monty indeed. My comment was who's this Yank walking down the wharf, when somebody pointed out that it was Brian Owen. I will always remember that.
Brian rest in peace.
E-mail: bernie.simpson@optimumski.com
Name: Bernie Simpson
From: The Sunny Alps, France
http://
Sep 30, 2008 - 09:20 -
Very sad news indeed. I have known Brian for many years, he was Chief Officer in my first command 48 years ago! He was the first CNCo Master to make the switch to off-shore supply boats, and very successfully.
We shall miss him.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:03 -
Very sad to hear of the passing of Brian Owen. I sailed with him on Kweichow in the
1970's and of course our paths crossed many times in SPO. A great Master and Ship Mate. Rest in Peace, Brian.
E-mail: johnmadeley6@aol.com
Name:
From: Sunny Cyprus
http://
Sep 30, 2008 - 17:29 -
So unfortunate to hear of Brians Passing.
Our careers ran at a parallel from the very onset of the Swire-Northern Offshore
project, sailing together delivering the "first" Pacific Supplier to the Gulf in 1975, pioneering on until his retirement when I could then assume the lengthy yet august mantle of Commodore SPO SPASM ADMA ADNOC. An off-beat character with an easy humour who fitted seamlessly into the rough and tumble of the Offshore life. Cheers good friend, you leave us with many happy memories.
E-mail:
Name: Geoff Garrett
From: NZ
http://
Oct 01, 2008 - 02:45 -
Fellow members,
I have just received the following e-mail regarding the funeral of our dear old ship mate Brian Owen and I have no doubt that many of you will wish to attend:
Hi Stuart
Thank you so much for your kindest words and for quickly sending out the notice. I have quite a few e-mails from people wishing to attend his funeral, which is so heartwarming during this diffcult time.
The funeral will be taking place this Friday at the Brighton and Hove crematorium (Woodvale Cremotorium) on the Lewes road in Brighton, East Sussex at 10.30am.
The wake will be at the Badgers Watch on the South Coast Road in Telscombe Cliffs (about 10 miles from the service). I truly hope to see you there and look forward to catching up. My mobile number is 07976 892408 should you need me to arrange anything for you.
We aso understand if you cannot attend but let me thank you again for your kind message. Please also feel free to pass these details on to anyone who may wish to attend.
The more the merrier as dad would always say!!
Kindest regards
Patrick
Hope to see you there.
Stu
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Oct 01, 2008 - 13:08 -
Brian Owen mentorred me through my first chiefs` job in 1972.Hastily achieved through the carting off of poor old John Reilly to the dypso clinic from our docking in Japan.We arrived in Madras and somehow made the acquaintance of a bunch of U.N poeple (as you do).We got invited to a party ashore at somebody`s house,got picked up by car,monsoon broke car stuck on dockside train rails,shoes off every body out pushing.Got to main drag street gushing with water Brian and me walking necking on an ale soaking wet,legs red with iron ore.Arrived at party (Messrs Alans Gooch and Grog in tow)host says tut tut come in chaps and fit yourselves out from my wardrobe.Dry clothes joined the party.Tried to work out who actually was married to who???About 03.00 Brian said "thats it" and promptly lay down on the floor and went to sleep.
A good bloke to run ashore with.
He will be missed.
Lacloche
E-mail: bryanbell@bmabell.plus.com
Name:
From: Brisle
http://
Oct 02, 2008 - 16:42 -
Morning All Am just finishing 10 days of sea trials on a new ship for the NZ Navy built at the BAE shipyard in Melbourne.So much for retirement! Anyway bit of an update, retired from Port Phillip Sea Pilots on 12th Aug after just short of 25 yrs. So with 23 yrs in CNCo and 4 in Port Line tought 52 yrs wasnt too bad an innings. We have kept our 37 ft Fisher Ketch up in Port Stephens for about 2 years and last time up we bought a house on the beach.We are moving up in Nov. it is only 200m along the beach to the boat so cant be too bad.We will be in the UK next year so hope to caatch up with old friends. Wont go to Blackpool in case I run into the angry ant who must be a sad sad man not to have enjoyed his time in CNCo with some of the best and competent 'sailors' you could hope to sail with. Just hope I sacked him a some time or other. Anyway Stu will send you a new phone number when we move in, and note new email address. Address 83 Kent Garden Soldiers Point, NSW. Cheers to All Looking forward to a good 'red' tonight after 10 on a dry ship.!!!!
E-mail: chriscoy@bigpond.com
Name: Chris Coy
From: soon Mid North coast NSW
http://
Just in case you're curious, the drivel that may be appearing at the top of your page indicates that AOL are to close down our free guest book (Ship's Log) facility that we have enjoyed at no cost for eleven years. Good innings. I am working on alternatives, have no fear.
One of our members has asked how he should go about backing up and saving the contents of our web site and, indeed, has spent some time trying to do so. This is not necessary, folks. The main SMA site pages are not hosted under AOL and are not under threat; only the guest book format needs to change, and you can leave that to me. This page will not disappear; when the facility closes down, I will have backed it up myself and archived it, just as with all other previous years, within the main site for your future reference.
Hope this is clear. To repeat, no member viewing this site needs to do a thing. Just have another beer - MAJB
Oct 04, 2008 - 03:34 -
Trevor Kay-Russell, David Walker and I attended Brian Owen's funeral at Brighton yesterday. From the number of folk there and from the comments made Brian was as popular with his neighbours around Saltdean as he was in CNCo/SPO. Despite his health problems Brian wind-surfed until last year with a couple of friends of similar age, (Brian was 76). According to Patrick his father still had the stetson and boots which gave Bernie Simpson amusement.
A suitable wake was held at the Badger's Watch, Brian's favourite pub overlooking the Channel. Annie is off to visit her family in China later this month but will be returning to Saltdean.
I trust that when somebody writes the history of SPO Brian will be given some prominence as the founding Master. RIP.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
From:
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Oct 06, 2008 - 05:38 -
Just returned from a holiday in Spain to read of Brian Owen's passing across the bar for the last time. Another of CNCo's characters gone to the Bungalow in the Sky. It is of note how many of those who have left us were held in great esteme not only by their shipmates but by their peers ashore. Swire's must have been a wonderful training ground. Leave some San Migs for those still to come Brian and Rest in Peace.
E-mail:
Name: Proud All Black Supporter
From: Aotearoa
http://
Oct 07, 2008 - 19:09 -
No Spain for me,have just returned from a trip along The Great Ocean Road along the south coast of Victoria,the news is just as sad and I can only wholeheartedly endorse the sentiments that everybody has expressed a grand shipmate and will be sadly missed at the reunions.
The G @ T's are on you tonight Brian.R.I.P.old shipmate.
E-mail: bobjen@bigpond.net.au
Name: Bob Steer
From:
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Oct 09, 2008 - 00:54 -
A brief note for my fans to let them know that my new novel 'Scrotie's Saga' will be available at Lulu.com next week, and soon after that at Barnes & Nobel ; Amazon ; etc as usual .
This book concerns a certain Captain Scrotie Bellows -a small man with a large appetite for chips; tits; and gin- a ship , and a film company It joins my four others namely 'The Baylon Boat';TheLast voyage of the Lunar Queen; Sell the Pig and Buy me out ; and 'Nukunevu Atoll of Death' Thanks ladies and gents for the support
E-mail: jamesaldiss@iprimus.com.au
Name: Ben aldiss aka James
From: Oz
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Oct 10, 2008 - 05:49 -
Soochow's Engine Doxford LB3.
Alistair Thompsons favourite lady. I wonder if Alistair knows how economical she really was,and that not only in consumption,but in the original purchase.
The "S" Class were built between 1946-47 as Fleet war loss replacements ordered during hostilities. Built when steel and engines were scarce they did not have common engines except Shansi and Sinkiang(Built by Scotts Of Greenoch)and had four cylider Doxfords, Szechuen had a Sulzer.
Soochow's engine was salvaged from a bombed and sunken vessel in The Manchester Ship Canal,refurbished,and put into Soochow by her Builders A&J Inglis,Glasgow. How about that for a bit of engineering history from a Navigator; we can turn our hand to anything,even historical plumbing !!!
An engine that was cheap to purchase and cheap to run. If only wives were like Soochow's engine.
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Name: David R Walker
From: Newton Ferers or on "The Dolphin" Moon
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Oct 12, 2008 - 16:10 -
Yes David, the 3 cyl LB Doxford was low on fuel consumption on 6 tons/day. With Fuel Oil around $US450/ton, that means your wives cost you around $US2700/day ! Not bad going for ex CNCo floating staff, I didn't know that the salaries had increased by that much !!!
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
From: XXXX Land
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Oct 13, 2008 - 03:52 -
Gentlemen,
I have received the following e-mail from New Zealand and was wondering if any of you can help him......I'm sure some of you can...............Dear Mr Shields
I am researching material for a book that I want to produce on the history of what they called in Malay the 'kapal haji' - the pilgrim trade from Southeast Asia to Jeddah. I want to try to put a 'human face' on it; to tell the story through the photographs, documents and and the stories of former pilgrims, ships' crews, or anyone who was involved in these journeys. CNCo was involved in the trade from Singapore, Port Swettenham/Klang and Penang through the 50s and 60s, and when I've spoken to older people in Singapore and Malaysia the names 'Anshun', 'Anking' and 'Kuala Lumpur' are immediately remembered.
I have contacted some ex-Blue Funnel who worked on ships from Indonesia. I have a copy of of one of the mate's log from the 'Tyndareus' on its last voyages in 1960 and some photographs from people on 'Blue Flu' vessels, but I am wondering if there would be any way of publishing a request (through the website or through a newsletter) for information, memories, anecdotes (or even photographs) from ex-CNCo crews who might have served on the Anshun, Anking or the Kuala Lumpur.
I am living now in New Zealand and it was Charlotte Bleasdale who suggested to me that I contact the Association. I am originally from the UK but I taught English in Singapore for about eighteen years. If you need further information from me I'd be more than happy to supply it.
All good wishes
Tony Green
Anthony Green
18 Vernon Terrace
Christchurch 8022
New Zealand
(64) 3 981 9373
tonygreen@paradise.net.nz
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: High Wycombe
http:// www.swiremariners.com
Oct 14, 2008 - 17:09 -
Gentlemen, This serves to advise that today I have posted 126 letters to our members with the report of our adventures in Newcastle Upon Tyne.
On another subject, did you see on the news that the government want to remove the tax free status of seafarers serving aboard off shore vessels? I have to ask, are they crazy.....seafarers don't need to live in this country to work so if employers are struggling to find those willing to go to sea now, what chance will they have of getting men to sail if they tell them......by the way, you'll be earning around 35 percent less than you thought you'd get.
E-mail: SShie70652@aol.com
Name: Stu Shields
From: Ashore thank goodness
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Oct 16, 2008 - 16:05 -
Re the subject of cap badges, on browsing through previous entries in the Visitors Book, on 24-1-2003 there is a photo of Harry Markham in uniform. The cap badge has the CNCo house flag above the MN badge and it looks as if there is a bit of gold lace on the peak of the cap, perhaps he was the commodore skipper? Were these supplied by CNCo and the practice stopped in an earlier economy drive ? - a foretaste of things to come perhaps !!
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Name: Wallaby Supporter
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Oct 17, 2008 - 09:24 -
Thant's not a MN cap badge, it's the CNCo crest with the Taikoo flag above
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Name: Ancient Mariner
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Oct 19, 2008 - 04:58 -
If anybody has opened my flickr photo site, you will see some of my (still)pics when I was acting in various movies....well the thing is, there is a Spanish Film Crew coming to HK this month and they want to video interview me.....and hear about my history (why I came to HK?) and how I got into the acting business, and all that.....So I will start off with some CNCo. chat and how we all got on, and the Bungalow etc...Plus I might have a chance to talk about Donald Mc Donald the famous CNCo. Sparks,(1950-1955) who I met in 1985 and I dragged him along to a film casting one time, and we ended up both getting parts acting in a several movies and TV commercials! The pair of us had a lot of fun, after that. And Donald (Whatta Character!!!) suddenly came out with the idea, that the pair of us should go round to the CNCO. office together, and tell the Super in charge, that when the China Nav crowd retire, they should consider starting a new career acting in the movies! Donald was the Sparks that dived over the side of the Anking in the HK harbour, to rescue a drowning junior engineer. (Which is another story!)) I even came up with the idea of wearing a CNCO. (base-ball) cap for the interview, but they are hard to come by. When the interview is over, I will try to post it on the internet, so you can see it yourselves.
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Name: Jimmy Crockett
From: Wong Nai Tun Tsuen
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Oct 20, 2008 - 03:13 -
Did you know there was another Davy Crockett in Swires? He was a CPA Captain, I think in Convair 880's, he left in the early 1970's.
E-mail: mauber85@tiscali.co.uk
Name: Ancient Mariner
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Oct 20, 2008 - 05:20 -
Yes I knew Peter, he was from Australia and flying with CPA. My little daughter (6) was with me when I visited him in his house in the NT, and she was chatting with his younger brother James Crockett a teenager at the time, and she was a bit puzzled that he had the same name as her Dad, so he had to go and get his passport to prove it to her! Then like an immigration officer at the airport, she held the passport up and looked at each of us then handed him back his passport, it was so funny, she smiled at him and said, "Thank you!" just like they do at the airport. So that was settled, he was permitted to land as James Crockett!
E-mail: jamesesq@netvigator.com
Name: James (Davy) Crockett
From: New Territories
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Oct 20, 2008 - 11:34 -
Jimmy, CNCo baseball caps. Phone Doris Luk
on 28408996 and ask for one. Failing that, give me your address and I will send you one from my next ship. Should be joining Pacific Horizon early or mid November.
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Name: John Madeley
From: Sunny Cyprus
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Oct 21, 2008 - 04:30 -
Thank you John.....I must add that I am very
impressed by the expertise of the (Davy Crockett) poster maker. The Artist is certainly a master of his craft, the detail is astonishing and indeed highly professional.
Now I have 14 requests for the full size edition, from Scotland, Canada and HK. Since I did such a good job acting as a Catholic Priest, nae doot, I will be getting a post card from the Pope as weel!
The funny thing is.....the guy in the poster will be 75 next birthday and still running fer the bus!
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Name: jockmacrock the doric poet
From: PO Box 90672 TST Kowloon, HK
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Oct 21, 2008 - 13:22 -
Looking at MAJB / Alistair Thompson's photo of the old 3 pot Doxford LB520 with tender eyes, I am minded of the 2 years I spent on the love of my life, the old Sinkiang. Can anybody remember the details of the S class engines? Sinkiang and Shansi had the 4-cyl Doxfords, Soochow had the 3-cyl Doxy and Szechuan had a Sulzer. But!!!! What was the bore and output of the 4 pot engines? I think they were 480mm bore and must have punched out about 2500bhp (reckon I had Sinkiang's punching out abt 3500 after i polished the exhaust ports)
Anybody's memory better than mine?
Trevor KR
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Name: Trevor Kay-Russell
From: The Galaxy of Surbiton
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This is a useful resource, Trev: www.doxford-engine.com
Oct 22, 2008 - 17:54 -
TKR - From memory I think the "Shansi" and "Sinkiang" engines were 4 cylinder 480mm bore LB Doxfords with the scavenge air pump situated between Nos 2 & 3 cylinders. Bob Steer may be able to clarify this also the fuel consumption,as he sailed on the "Shansi". The "Soochow" engine scavenge air pump was lever driven from No 2 cylinder and situated at the back of the engine (port side). Incidently the scavenge bracket on the "Soochow" engine cracked, about 1960, and had to be towed by the "Fukien" to Brisbane for repairs. Terry Connell was on the "Soochow" at that time as 1/M, with Frank Hindle as skipper.
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